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es342007
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Married Filing Separate

I had a question about filing my taxes as "married filing seperate" by taking the standard deduction, can my spouse and i each take a std deduction of $12,400 or is it $12,400 total meaning each of us can only take a std deduction of $6,200?  I'm suprised that there is no clarification on this anywhere, is it just understood?

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Married Filing Separate

When filing as Married Filing Separately you each receive a Standard Deduction of $12,400 for tax year 2020.

 

The amount is shown on the 2020 IRS Form 1040 for standard deductions Line 12 - https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-dft/f1040--dft.pdf

When filing separately both must use the standard deduction or both must use itemized deductions.

Married Filing Separate

It is in the form instructions ... if each spouse uses the standard deduction they get 1/2 of the married deduction which is in the form instructions ...

 

  

The tax items for tax year 2020 of greatest interest to most taxpayers include the following dollar amounts:

  • The standard deduction for married filing jointly rises to $24,800 for tax year 2020, up $400 from the prior year. For single taxpayers and married individuals filing separately, the standard deduction rises to $12,400 in for 2020, up $200, and for heads of households, the standard deduction will be $18,650 for tax year 2020, up $300.

 

Married Filing Separate

How can we compare married filing jointly with married filing separately?

If you already created a joint return in the TurboTax CD/Download software, there's a quick way to see how filing separately affects your federal return.

Note: This won't work in TurboTax Online.

  1. Open your return and select Forms in the top right corner of the window.
  2. Click Open Form and type What-If Worksheet (it may appear as What-If Wks).
  3. Check the MFJ vs. MFS box at the top.
  4. Scroll down to Balance Due (Refund) located under Line 74.
    • The second column shows the federal outcome for a joint return, and the third and fourth columns, respectively, show the outcome for the taxpayer and spouse if filing separately.
    • Negative numbers are refunds, positive numbers are taxes due.

However, this doesn't give you the whole picture because it doesn't account for your state return. For a true apples to apples comparison, you'll need to prepare your returns both ways.

Related Information:

 

How can we compare married filing jointly with married filing separately in TurboTax Online?

Start by creating a test return so you don't have to undo everything if you decide not to make the change.

Create a test account with its own User ID (include the word "test" in the ID so you can distinguish it from your real account).

Prepare your return(s) using the other filing status. Make sure you also do your state return; you might get a bigger refund on your state return which can offset the additional taxes on your federal, or vice-versa.

Related Information:

 

 

Is it better for a married couple to file jointly or separately?

Generally, filing jointly will give you a bigger refund or less taxes due. When you file separately, your tax rate is higher and you won't be able to claim:

On top of that, if you live in the community property states of Arizona, California, Idaho, Louisiana, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Washington, or Wisconsin, you have to deal with community property allocations and adjustments, which adds extra work and complexity to your tax preparation chores.

Tip: Only taxpayers who were still legally married as of December 31, 2018 are able to file as married, whether jointly or separately.

Filing jointly means you file one tax return. When filing separately, you file two tax returns.

Want to Compare?               

You can compare filing jointly vs. separately with TurboTax's free calculator TaxCaster. It will give you the estimated tax differences when filing either way. It’s up-to-date with the latest tax laws and can estimate your 2019 taxes as well.

Why would I want to file separately?

The main reason you'd want to file separately is to protect yourself from inaccurate tax information reported by your spouse, or in cases where your spouse refuses to file a joint return (or refuses to file, period) and you don't want to get in trouble.

Also, when you file separately, your refund cannot be seized to pay off your spouse's debts. However, filing jointly as an innocent or injured spouse can head off refund seizures as well.

With all that in mind, you can try it both ways to see which filing status works out better for the both of you. If you do this, also consider your state return; in some cases, the taxes saved on the state return more than makes up for the money lost on the federal, or vice-versa.

You can try the different ways with TurboTax's free calculator TaxCaster. It will give you the estimated tax differences when filing either way. It’s up-to-date with the latest tax laws and can estimate your 2019 taxes as well.

Filing Separately? Use TurboTax CD/Download

If you decide to file separately, we suggest you use TurboTax CD/Download for Windows or Mac, as you can file up to 5 returns within the program. If you use TurboTax Online, you'll have a separate fee for each return.

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Married Filing Separate

If you file a Joint return (one return combined for the both of you) then you would get double 24,800 Standard Deduction.

 

May I ask why you are filing separate returns? Sometimes people don't realize the differences between filing Joint and MFS.

 

Unless you have a specific reason to file separate returns,
It is usually better to file Joint. Joint has the lowest tax rates and the highest Standard Deduction. And if you are in a Community Property state MFS gets tricky to figure out. Here's some things to consider about filing separately……

In the first place you each have to file a separate return, so that's two returns. And if you are using the Online version that means using 2 accounts and paying the fees twice.

 

Many people think they come out better when filing Married Filing Separate but they are probably doing it wrong. If one person itemizes deductions then the other one must itemize too, even if it's less than the standard deduction, even if it is ZERO!

 

And there are several credits you can't take when filing separately, like the
EITC Earned Income Tax Credit
Child Care Credit
Educational Deductions and Credits

And contributions to IRA and ROTH IRA are limited when you file MFS.

Also if you file Married Filing Separately up to 85`% of your Social Security becomes taxable right away even with zero other income.


See …….
https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/married/help/is-it-better-for-a-married-couple-to-file-jointly-or-...

es342007
Returning Member

Married Filing Separate

I guess I just don't quite follow the reasoning behind why people say you get double the standard deduction by filing jointly, if you file separately and take a 12,400 standard deduction each, isnt it effectively the same thing?  Granted both spouses make roughly the same annual income. 

 

The reason i'm looking into filing separately is that my spouse will exceed the joint standard deduction amount of 24,800 by itemizing.  I don't have much to itemize on my end, so in that scenario what would be the difference between us filing jointly or separately, all of the itemization contributions would mostly be from her end and nothing on mine anyway.  I understand that we forfeit several credits by filing separately but in the case those dont apply doesnt the owed tax work out to be the same.  I would prefer to keep separate filings just as preference if i have a choice and if we wouldnt end up with a higher tax bill.

Married Filing Separate

@es342007 The tax rate brackets are higher for filing separately versus filing jointly

 

TAX RATE SINGLE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD MARRIED FILING JOINTLY OR QUALIFYING WIDOW MARRIED FILING SEPARATELY
Source: IRS
10% $0 to $9,875 $0 to $14,100 $0 to $19,750 $0 to $9,875
12% $9,876 to $40,125 $14,101 to $53,700 $19,751 to $80,250 $9,876 to $40,125
22% $40,126 to $85,525 $53,701 to $85,500 $80,251 to $171,050 $40,126 to $85,525

Married Filing Separate

If your spouse has more than 24,800 of itemized deductions you should file Joint and take the itemized deductions.  If she files separately and itemizes then you must also itemize your deductions even if  your deductions are less than 12,400.  Even if they are zero.  So you would not get the Standard Deduction on your return.  

 

Can your spouse deduct all their deductions?  Some deductions are now limited.  There is a limit on SALT deductions. SALT is State And Local Tax. Which includes property tax, any state tax paid like for last year’s return and includes any state withholding from your W2s and any 1099s you have. And any other taxes like in W2 box 14 & 19. You can only deduct up to 10,000 (5,000 MFS) for SALT State and Local Taxes.

 

FAQ on changes starting in 2018
https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/tax-reform/help/how-will-tax-reform-affect-my-federal-tax-return/0...

 

And some Deductions that have been suspended for 2018-2025
https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/tax-reform/help/which-federal-tax-deductions-have-been-suspended-b...

 

Married Filing Separate

the joint deduction was doubled recently.

When filing separately each gets half of that.

Don't confuse the old deduction with the new deduction.

kblatter2
New Member

Married Filing Separate

I inputed all taxpayers info for married filing jointly on the input sheets. What input sheet do i use to create married filing separately to compare which way is less taxes to pay

Married Filing Separate

you need to start over and have two separate tax forms - one for yourself and one for your spouse. 

Married Filing Separate

It doesn't work that way.

 

To compare Joint to MFS.  If you are using the Online version, do NOT change anything on your return.  You would have to start with a new account and do a test return.  You don't have to pay unless you want to print it out.  So you might need 3 accounts, one for Joint and two MFS, one for each spouse.

 

How to Compare Joint to Married Filing Separately

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/married/help/how-can-we-compare-married-filing-jointly-with-marrie...

 

How to start another return in the Online version

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/using-turbotax/help/how-do-i-start-another-return-in-turbotax-onli...

 

It would be better to use the Desktop CD/Download program.  It can do unlimited returns and has a What If worksheet to compare them and many other advantages over the online version.

 

You can buy the Desktop CD/Download program here

https://turbotax.intuit.com/personal-taxes/cd-download/ 

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