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ayaiana
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Person that sent my 1099 misc misidentified my identification number?

 
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GeoffreyG
New Member

Person that sent my 1099 misc misidentified my identification number?

If that is the case, and you have an "incorrect" Form 1099-MISC, the IRS directs that you do the following:

"If this form is incorrect or has been issued in error, contact the payer. If you cannot get this form corrected, attach an explanation to your tax return and report your income correctly."

Thus, with an incorrect Social Security Number on your Form 1099-MISC, the IRS would first ask that you contact the issuer, and ask them to send a "corrected" 1099-MISC to both you and the IRS.

In the absence of that, as a secondary course of action, the IRS indicates that you should file your tax return with the incorrect 1099-MISC, and then attach a (written) statement to your tax return explaining that the 1099-MISC has the wrong Social Security Number on it.  Additionally, while not absolutely required, you could also send as well a photocopy of the actual 1099-MISC, with the misprinted SSN, as proof, and attached to the back of your tax return with the statement.

As the second approach requires the attaching of a statement (and a photocopy if you so choose), you would need to paper-file your tax return, by mail, in the traditional manner.  This action would preclude e-filing your tax return.  But, that aside, an incorrect 1099-MISC will not prevent you from filing your tax return.

You may also be interested to read the response to a similar question asked by another taxpayer last season, in that they had an incorrect Form 1099-MISC as well.  The answer given there describes substantially the same process as this year.  Here is that link:

https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/2855112


Thank you for asking this important question.

Honorcode
Level 2

Person that sent my 1099 misc misidentified my identification number?

Dear Turbo Tax,  today is Sept 5, 2020.  I just learned that my 2017, 2018, and 2019 1099s are using the wrong Tax Payer ID.  The dollar amount is correct, and I reported all income on my 1040s.    The mistake is that the filers used my EIN from my single-member LLC that is an IRS disregarded entity.  It was missed for 3 years in a row,  because I thought it was correct.  My  2017 and 2018 tax refunds were quickly provided by the IRS.  But for this year, 2019 filing, I still have not received my refund.  A company from 2017 is no longer in business, so it can not be fixed.  The other companies said that they will fix the filing, but it is very low on their list of work.  What do I do?  Is is too late to fix it?  How do I fix it?  Again, the 1040s are correct, the dollar amount on the 1099s are correct, it is just the TIN, name, and address.

 

Critter-3
Level 15

Person that sent my 1099 misc misidentified my identification number?

If this income is being reported on a Sch C then the 1099 can have the EIN or SS# on it ... they are interchangeable.  There is nothing to report or correct.   

 

And 2019 returns are just taking longer to process this year so patience will be needed. 

Honorcode
Level 2

Person that sent my 1099 misc misidentified my identification number?

You are jumping to the same assumption as those who filed the 1099s. They assumed that my llc was a corporation.  My llc is a disregarded entity. I do not file on a schedule c. A llc that is a disregarded entity must be filed under my ssn, And treated as a sole proprietor.  I just learned this. My 1099s are for rental income on a schedule e, and A 1099-b and 1099-div for stocks, also on my personal 1040.  All of this was properly listed on my 1040, but improperly listed on the 1099 filing by the filer. Starting in 2017.    What do i do?

VolvoGirl
Level 15

Person that sent my 1099 misc misidentified my identification number?

Schedule C is for disregarded entity and sole proprietor independent contractor self employment or Single Member LLC etc.  It is under your ssn and part of your 1040 personal return.  (If you were a corporation you would be filing a 1120 or 1065 business return.)

 

But if you filed it on Schedule E as rental income instead of schedule C I don't know if that was right.  It could be ok and you just need to tell the IRS it's on E.

Critter-3
Level 15

Person that sent my 1099 misc misidentified my identification number?

Ok ... when you applied for the  EIN that you got for the LLC  is linked to your SS# and if this is for a Sch E then just like the Sch C  there is nothing you need to fix.  Although it is preferable for the payer to use the EIN  instead of the SS#  they are interchangable.  

 

Look at the SS-4 form ... when you got the EIN your SS# was required ... this is how they are linked ...

 

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Critter-3
Level 15

Person that sent my 1099 misc misidentified my identification number?

Two more points ...

 

1) the reason for getting an EIN is so that your SS# is not being used ... this is a safety feature. If you filled out a W-9 for the payer you should have checked the  "Individual/sole proprietor or single-member LLC" box ... note they are treated the same way. 

 

2) if you were a corporation then a 1099 would not be required  ... so the LLC must be issued a 1099

 

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Honorcode
Level 2

Person that sent my 1099 misc misidentified my identification number?

I thought the same thing, that the IRS would link my SSN to the EIN because of the way that I created the EIN.  But that is not the case.  For example, when I go to my IRS tax transcripts using my SSN account, none of the income from the 1099s that were marked with the LLC's EINs are listed.  Also, there is no way to create an IRS account for an EIN.  When I read the IRS's filing instructions on the W9, it says that I must use and report all income to my SSN (and not the EIN).     That is the problem, my "disregarded EIN" was used for the 1099s.   The IRS 1099 instructsions for filers state that if the EIN is used, and not the SSN, then a 1096 Type 2 correction is needed.  When I set up my accounts with The Vanguard Group, they FORCED ME to use my EIN for my single member LLC... they KNEW it was a disregarded entity, it even says it on there entry screen.  They are now planning to fix 3 years of incorrect 1099s --- I am not a tax professional, so I am looking for a turbo tax expert to tell me what else I should do.  So far, everyone on this site is saying that I do not need to do anything, but that contradicts the 1096 type 2 error instructions.  Please, why are you saying that the IRS is wrong?

Critter-3
Level 15

Person that sent my 1099 misc misidentified my identification number?

You are really worrying about nothing ...  you and Vanguard did everything correctly and there is NOTHING to fix.   You DID put the income on the Sch E on your personal return filed in your SS# as required by law.  Stop trying to fix something that is not broken.   NO ONE is wrong not even the IRS. 

 

If you really want the income transcript for the EIN then fill in a 4506-T and request one although it is a waste of time IMHO ...  https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-form-4506

 

 

Critter-3
Level 15

Person that sent my 1099 misc misidentified my identification number?

The whole reason for getting an EIN for a disregarded entity is so you don't have to give your SS# to payers like Vanguard.  If you wanted to give your SS# why did you even form an LLC and get the EIN  in the first place ?   An LLC  really gives you no real protection from lawsuits but I suspect someone talked you into doing it which I see a lot.  The only real protection is a good insurance policy. 

Honorcode
Level 2

Person that sent my 1099 misc misidentified my identification number?

Thanks Critter - I truly appreciate your comments.  This is what I understand at this point.

1) The IRS W9 states, on page 3, that a disregarded entity must use the TIN of the personal taxpayer, a SSN.  Vanguard forced me to use the EIN of the disregarded entity, while also checking the box as an individual.  Its been 3 years, and I just learned that this might be wrong.  

2) The IRS's instructions for filling out a 1099 for a disregarded entity / LLC states that I am to use my SSN, and not my EIN.  If the EIN is used, then a 1096 Type 2 error needs to be reported on the corrected form.  I will ask Vanguard to validate this point.  Criiter-3 is saying that I can use the EIN or the SSN, so Vanguard did it right.  My property manager used my EIN as well, and I filed my rent income on schedule E (I did not use schedule C).  Critter-3 is saying that both schedule C and schedule E are correct. 

3)  The EIN for a disregarded entity was needed by Wells Fargo and Vanguard to set up my accounts, but wells fargo still reports my 1099-INT to my SSN.  Vanguard reports the 1099-DIV and 1099-B to my EIN.  It was vanguard who told my property manager to use my EIN for the 1099-MISC rental income.  

4) I am getting mixed advice on whether or not I need to perform a corrected 1099 with my SSN (remove my EIN).  Critter-3 is saying that I do not need to submit any corrections and this is why I received my 2017and 2018 tax refunds even though I used my EIN on the 1099s.  Another person has told me that I need to fix the 1099s from the last 3 years, even though I received refunds.  This is the reason for the confusion.

5) Critter-3 is asking me why I opened the LLC.  Here are my reasons:

 

5A) An LLC allows me to deed real-estate in the name of the LLC.  It hides my personal identity.  I own many rental homes, and I do not want a google search to reveal my wealth.  

5B) An LLC makes the business seem more professional and established.  My tenants want the comfort of knowing that they are renting a home that will be available to them for many years.    It makes them feel safe.

5C)  A single-member LLC provides protection against civil law suits, but not criminal charges.  The civil suit will be capped to the assets that are held within the LLC.  I own many LLCs for this purpose.  I still need commercial insurance policies.  

 

Here is where I am.   I mailed my return in March, and WMR says "still processing" with no letters being sent to me, and no error codes on my transcripts.  In wondering why I have not received anything, I stumbled on the possibility that the 1099s are wrong for 2017, 2018, and 2019.  I will be meeting with a  Vanguard Group's tax speciaist, as they were the source of this possible problem.    I will raise all of the points that are in this stream.  Meanwhile, the IRS has published that no one should call them, and no one should write to them.  In 4 months, I will be filing my 2020 returns, and I wonder if the 2019 returns will still be processing. 

Critter-3
Level 15

Person that sent my 1099 misc misidentified my identification number?

Hey guys ... can anyone else confirm that this person has NOTHING to fix since he is not believing me and misunderstanding the IRS instructions. 

 

@Anonymous 

@Carl 

@VolvoGirl 

@dmertz 

@DoninGA 

@xmasbaby0 

Carl
Level 15

Person that sent my 1099 misc misidentified my identification number?

@Honorcode  @CRitter3  along with all the others in this thread trying to help, please read my post in it's entirety. It looks to me like there are some "surprises" that I've managed to dig up.

 

it is just the TIN, name, and address.

There is a difference between a TIN and an EIN. So your terminology matters.

TIN - Taxpayer Identification Number. This is a 9-digit number issued to a taxpayer that does not qualify for a social security number, but they are authorized to work legally in the U.S.

EIN - Employer Identification Number. This is a 9-digit number issued to a non-living, non-breathing entity for tax filing purposes. The EIN *must* be tied to the TIN or SSN of a living, breathing human.

If the TIN/EIN does not belong to you, then the issuer needs to issue a corrected 1099-MISC. Otherwise, if it does belong to you, there's nothing to correct.
They assumed that my llc was a corporation. My llc is a disregarded entity.
Now they didn't, *you* assumed what the issuer assumed. A 1099-MISC is not required to be issued to a corporation regardless of the amount. The issuer correctly "assumed" your business is a disregarded entity. Therefore if the amount paid was more than $600 they were "required" to issue the 1099-MISC. If the amount paid was less than $600, then they have the option to issue a 1099-MISC, and elected to exercise that option to issue it. Doesn't matter if they used your EIN or your SSN. The issued 1099-MISC is correct. Period.
A llc that is a disregarded entity must be filed under my ssn

Again,  that is not correct. A disregarded entity reported on SCH C can use the SSN *OR* the EIN. It doesn't matter. The only time a disregarded entity is required to have and use an EIN, is if that disregarded entity has W-2 employees, and that's it. Period.

Remember, The IRS is the only source that issues EINs, and all EINs *must* be tied to an SSN. The IRS knows what SSN your EIN is tied to. Therefore, it *does* *not* *matter* what is on the 1099-MISC, and for that 1099-MISC it "does" *not* *matter* if you have W-2 employees or not. The IRS still knows what SSN is tied to an EIN, and they know what EIN is to a specific SSN. So long as the number, be it your SSN or EIN, is correct, there is no problem here.
The IRS W9 states, on page 3, that a disregarded entity must use the TIN of the personal taxpayer, a SSN.

See above for the definition of TIN and EIN. They are two physically separate types of tax identification numbers.

Vanguard forced me to use the EIN of the disregarded entity, while also checking the box as an individual.

Which is absolutely correct. Remember, a "disregarded entity" is exactly that - disregarded. The IRS does not see income earned by the business as being earned by a separately taxable entity. They see it as being earned by "you" "personally". So as far as the IRS is concerned, income earned by the business is *IN FACT* earned by you personally.

The IRS's instructions for filling out a 1099 for a disregarded entity / LLC states that I am to use my SSN, and not my EIN.

I can find no such statement in the 1099-MISC instructions at https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i1099msc.pdf  So if I'm just missing it, please provide me the page number, column number and paragraph number.

 

When initially reading your posts in this thread, A thought came to mind of "why on this green earth are you reporting rental income on SCH C???" Then you clarified that you're reporting it on SCH E. But to complicate matters more you threw Vanguard into this mix of bananas and ketchup with your statement, " It was vanguard who told my property manager to use my EIN for the 1099-MISC rental income. " So here's my question to you that will help provide quite a bit of clarity, depending on your answer.

 - What on earth is Vanguard doing communicating with your rental property manager? I suspect this rental property is owned by an IRA or some other tax deferred retirement vehicle. Is this so? Please explain why Vanguard is involved in this rental property.

tagteam
Level 15

Person that sent my 1099 misc misidentified my identification number?

@Carl 

 

An EIN is merely one type of TIN, the latter being an all-encompassing term (i.e. Taxpayer Identification Number).

 

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/taxpayer-identification-numbers-tin

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