I have read some of the questions and answers on 1099Q/1099T but I am still confused, so hoping someone here could help.
I am claiming my first-year college daughter as a dependent on my tax return. Everything seems fine until I enter the 2 1099Qs (I have 2 of them because there was a transfer of the company that handles the 529 account between my daughter 1st and 2nd semester payment). My daughter does have some scholarship for her first year college, in case that matters. Here are the 2 1099-Q numbers:
First:
[1] Gross Distribution $21,391
[2] Earnings $6,312.73
[3] Basis $15,078.27
Second:
[1] Gross Distribution $21,618
[2] Earnings $6,385.77
[3] Basis $15,232.23
When I entered the first 1099Q, Turbo Tax says
"Looks like your 1099-Q is taxable.
Based on the education expenses you've entered, the student beneficiary must report $5,654 of taxable income from this distribution."
Similar dialog (with different amount) for the second one.
Like others, my own refund number did not change after that message.
So I took that as I need to also file a separate tax return for my daughter, despite me claiming her as dependent. She has no other income (no W2, etc). But when I did that, she now owes $4,741 on her own return. Note TT says she can't enter the 1098T since I claimed that already.
Folks think I may be doing this wrong.
Questions:
(1) Given what TurboTax's message say the beneficiary must report her income, can I pay that in my return, or must I create a new return for my daughter?
(2) Does my daughter need to file her own return anyway because adding the two box 2 "Earnings" amount above, it goes above $12,550?
(3) Reading some answers, it sounds like sometimes 1099Q do not need to be entered. But what situations should we entered them then? I want to pay the right amount of taxes. Like the other guy, I really do not want to be audited.
Thanks very much for you help in advance,
EY
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Q. After entering that, the tax bill jumped by like $2K. Didn't know my taxable income like will affect her return also?
A. The taxable portion of the 529 distribution (1099-Q) is unearned income. As such, it is subject to the "kiddie tax", were a portion of the student's income is taxed at the parent's highest tax rate.
Q. Wouldn't these all fall under Qualified Education Expenses? If so, why does my daughter need to pay so much tax on them still?
A. Your problem is you don't have enough qualified expenses to keep both the scholarship tax free and the 1099-Q untaxable. If some of it does end up taxable, you would actually want to declare some of the scholarship taxable before making the 1099-Q taxable (taxable scholarship is considered earned income; it's complicated)
But, since you actually paid for spring 2022, in 2021, you may count that money for 2021 taxes, even though it doesn't show in box 1 of the 1098-T. You claim the tuition credit, or report scholarship income or pay tax on 529 distributions , based on your own financial records, not the 1098-T. In the 1098-T screen, there is a link "What if this is not what I paid the school" underneath box 1. You would then be able to enter the actual amounts paid.
BUT
Here's your bottom line: Don't enter either the 1098-T or1099-Q on either your return or the student's. The interview is just too tricky. Counting the 2022 expenses, for 2021 means you had enough expenses for both scholarship and 1099-Q to be tax free.
Expenses: Payment Sources:
$28791 2021Tuition $43,009 two 1099-Qs
23791 2022 Tuition 10,300 2021 Scholarship
6900 2021 R&B 10,300 2022 Scholarship
6900 2022 R &B $71,609
$71,382
You can surely come up with $227 of book expenses. Even if you can't, that's not enough taxable income for her to file a return (the taxable amount is actually something less than $227).
For 2022, remember that you already used those numbers for 2021, so adjust your 529 plan withdrawal, accordingly.
You say how much the distributions were, but not how much the expenses were.
If the distributions were fully covered by expenses, after scholarships and you using some of the tuition for the Education credit, the 1099-Qs do not need to be entered on the student's return. If it does need to be entered, the 1098-T can be entered too, even though used on your return.
Provide the following info for more specific help:.
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You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip!
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
If you do enter it, enter the 1099-Q before you enter the 1098-T and other expenses.
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
You have $1120 of taxable income
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
"(1) Given what TurboTax's message say the beneficiary must report her income, can I pay that in my return, or must I create a new return for my daughter?"
No, you can't claim that income on your return. Yes, the student would need to file a return and claim that income if their income is at or over the filing requirement.
The income from a distribution is claimed by the taxpayer that was issued the 1099-Q. If you were listed as issued the 1099-Q, you report it, if it was issued to the student, the student reports it.
"(2) Does my daughter need to file her own return anyway because adding the two box 2 "Earnings" amount above, it goes above $12,550? "
It depends on how much she needs to claim. It sounds like she may need to claim only 4,741, however distribution income is considered "Unearned income" so 4,741 unearned income would mean she would be required to file.
"(3) Reading some answers, it sounds like sometimes 1099Q do not need to be entered. But what situations should we entered them then? I want to pay the right amount of taxes. Like the other guy, I really do not want to be audited."
The education section is complicated, partly because you have options in allocating expenses and payments. The TurboTax program will try to get you a credit even if that means having the student claim income to free-up expenses for a credit.
Please look over IRS Pub 970 for great tips and examples.
The problem with the student claiming distributions is that it can trigger kiddie tax, in which case claiming a scholarship might prove to be the better choice.
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p970.pdf
Q. Given what TurboTax's message say the beneficiary must report her income, can I pay that in my return, or must I create a new return for my daughter?
A. No. If she is the recipient of the 1099-Q, it must go on her return.
Q. Does my daughter need to file her own return anyway because adding the two box 2 "Earnings" amount above, it goes above $12,550?
A. If her income consists of taxable earnings from a 529 plan, the filing threshold is only $1100. The $12,550 number is for earned income. 529 distributions are unearned income, with a lower threshold
Q. Reading some answers, it sounds like sometimes 1099Q do not need to be entered. But what situations should we entered them then?
A. When you have determined that some of it is taxable. See example at my other reply. There is no more risk of an IRS inquiry from not entering the 1099-Q, because nothing is sent to the IRS even if you enter it, when TT determines that none of it is taxable.
Thanks for the quick reply Hal. Really appreciate it. Answers / more info on my situation:
Hopefully this give you more info on what I need to do here.
Thanks
EY
You said: Box 1 of the 1098-T: $28,791. "The amount is lower because I also paid for the second semester starting Jan 2022 back in December 2021". What does that mean? If you paid for the January 2022 semester, in 2021, you are allowed to count that on your 2021 taxes. In fact, you are not allowed to count, on your 2022 taxes, what you paid in 2021. So, is the actual box 1 amount more? What about the box 5 amount does that include both 2021 & 2022 scholarships?
Since she's 1st year student, did you pay 1 or 2 semesters room & board?
You can claim a credit if you income is less than $90K ($180K Married filing jointly). Phase out starts at $80K (160K MFJ).
You may want to hunt down those book and computer costs. First look at your numbers says she needs to file a return and pay some tax
Thank you. I paid the second semester using 529 in December, but the second semester didn't start until Jan 4th 2022, so I am guessing that's why the 1090T does not include any info on that payment :-(. Will wait until January before I withdraw from 529 next year.
Similarly, box 5 only contains scholarship for the 1st semester, not the second.
I am filing jointly with my wife, and total does exceed $180K for us.
Agree I (my daughter!) needs to find those receipts on books, etc. Something to learn better financial habbit as a college student!
Really appreciate your help. Sounds like I should file a return for her separately. One more thing I was surprised by: after entering the 1099Q data on her file, it asked for my return income. After entering that, the tax bill jumped by like $2K. Didn't know my taxable income like will affect her return also.
Wish I knew more about all these and learn how to manage tax better. Need to figure out where to learn / who to talk to for advice before it is too late for this upcoming year.
Cheers,
EY
New question: since all my 529 withdrawal are used only to pay for college tuition fee, room & board, wouldn't these all fall under Qualified Education Expenses? If so, why does my daughter need to pay so much tax on them still?
Thanks,
EY
Q. After entering that, the tax bill jumped by like $2K. Didn't know my taxable income like will affect her return also?
A. The taxable portion of the 529 distribution (1099-Q) is unearned income. As such, it is subject to the "kiddie tax", were a portion of the student's income is taxed at the parent's highest tax rate.
Q. Wouldn't these all fall under Qualified Education Expenses? If so, why does my daughter need to pay so much tax on them still?
A. Your problem is you don't have enough qualified expenses to keep both the scholarship tax free and the 1099-Q untaxable. If some of it does end up taxable, you would actually want to declare some of the scholarship taxable before making the 1099-Q taxable (taxable scholarship is considered earned income; it's complicated)
But, since you actually paid for spring 2022, in 2021, you may count that money for 2021 taxes, even though it doesn't show in box 1 of the 1098-T. You claim the tuition credit, or report scholarship income or pay tax on 529 distributions , based on your own financial records, not the 1098-T. In the 1098-T screen, there is a link "What if this is not what I paid the school" underneath box 1. You would then be able to enter the actual amounts paid.
BUT
Here's your bottom line: Don't enter either the 1098-T or1099-Q on either your return or the student's. The interview is just too tricky. Counting the 2022 expenses, for 2021 means you had enough expenses for both scholarship and 1099-Q to be tax free.
Expenses: Payment Sources:
$28791 2021Tuition $43,009 two 1099-Qs
23791 2022 Tuition 10,300 2021 Scholarship
6900 2021 R&B 10,300 2022 Scholarship
6900 2022 R &B $71,609
$71,382
You can surely come up with $227 of book expenses. Even if you can't, that's not enough taxable income for her to file a return (the taxable amount is actually something less than $227).
For 2022, remember that you already used those numbers for 2021, so adjust your 529 plan withdrawal, accordingly.
Thank you! That makes a lot more sense. Once I adjust the amount using the "What if this is not what I paid the school" box it seems to be right now.
Given my daughter does not own any taxes, does she still needs to file for Federal tax return?
Thanks,
Earnest
No, if her taxable income is beneath these thresholds, she is not required to file a return:
If she had any federal taxes withheld, she would be required to file if she wanted those refunded to her.
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