I have entered these on my and my wife's returns for 3 years and qualified for I think a $2,500 credit each year.
This year I dug in a little deeper... it's her last year. TurboTax seems to have awarded me $2,500 this year as well. The T form shows payments for qualified tuition. Add to that the books and subtracting out the gross distribution from the q form I believe the difference is about $1,500.... Which feels about right I believe I spent $500 on books and I wrote a check for $1,000 towards her tuition this year.... 529 paid the rest I guess I'm just curious how it awarded me $2,500? I thought my net expenses not paid by the 529 would have had been in excess of $2,500.
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Did you enter your 1099-Q information? The 1099-Q provides three key pieces of information. Box 1 reports your annual distributions or withdrawals from the account. The second box reports the portion of the distribution that represents the income or earnings of your initial investment. Finally, box 3 reports your basis in the distribution.
See Where do I enter a 1099-Q? - TurboTax.
Yes I did. Again I thought to get the $2,500 credit the difference of tuition less scholarships less gross distribution had to be an excess of 2500?
Just an FYI.... I have found that when a 1099-Q is involved, if you don't work through the education section the way it's designed and intended to be used, things tend to get missed.
It seems pretty straightforward I answered the 1099 q information the 1099t information and there was another screen where I could enter additional expenses to tuition which in our case were just books....
...sorry..just noticed part of my last post did not make it through...
Anyway...I am not sure how I got the 2500...or which of the two possible credits TT chose...or the rules behind them.
If you are a half time or more student, room and board (even if living at home) is a qualified expense for a 529 plan distribution. Entering R&B can free up some tuition to be used to claim the more generous American Opportunity Credit (AOC). The AOC is 100% of the first $2000 and 25% of the 2nd $2000. So, it takes $4000 of expenses to get the maximum $2500. The Lifetime Learning Credit LLC) is a straight 20% of up to $10,000 ($2000 max). You may only claim the AOC 4 times in your undergrad career. There is no limit on the number of times the LLC can be claimed. Grad school is not eligible for the AOC*. The LLC does not have a refundable portion, like the AOC does.
TT will select the best credit you qualify for.
https://www.irs.gov/Individuals/AOTC
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/american-opportunity-tax-credit-questions-and-answers
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/llc
* Exception: You can claim graduate tuition if it occurs in the same year you complete your undergrad education.
Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
You have $1120 of taxable income
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
To qualify for the full $2,500 for the American Opportunity Credit, your wife would have had at least $4,000 worth of qualified education expenses. From what you entered, it sounds like she might not have had $4,000 but TurboTax took advantage of a little loophole to get you the full credit by making some of your 1099-Q distribution or scholarship taxable.
Even though you are paying taxes on the 1099-Q or scholarship, TurboTax determined that was outweighed by the benefit of receiving the full American Opportunity Credit.
To see what TurboTax is doing, you can go back into the Education section of your return in Federal > Deductions & Credits > Education > Expenses & Scholarships. Hit Continue and then Maximize My Education Tax Break.
Sounds straight forward but I am not sure where TT is coming up with the 4k. Is there a worksheet or something to see the calculation?
To me it is tuition, say 50k plus books (I entered. $500 for books) = 50.5k then subtract scholarships of 25k, now subtract 529 dispersements of 24k = $1500...which is the amount of the books and 1k check I wrote from my personal savings toward tuition ... She lives at and perhaps you can argue expenses for that but I entered none....so where is the 4k coming from?...what am I missing here..
Yes there is a "Student info" worksheet and also a 1099-Q worksheet that shows the calculations. TT (usually) assumes you will claim the tuition credit and allocates $4000 for that.
I do recall after entering perhaps the 1099q that TT said something was taxable...I never say the amount of my refund to that point change...I then entered the 1099T and books.
This has been very confusing for 4 years..thank God she graduates this spring. I will look at the stuff you referenced and then hal Al's post.
And yes ..I hit maximize ... It says 2500...but does not show how it derived this ...which would add a level of comfort...I mean entered the data for the Q and T and my books ..did not even know where to enter the 1k towards tution I spent most of pocket...since it awarded me the 2500..I did not worry about that. Still, I wish I could see exactly what it was doing.
Can it be this simple? And I think a prior post may have been alluding to this. I noticed the basis on my 529 withdrawal was $9,000. So I assume that means, of the entire withdrawal 9000 of it was money I originally put in and grew. Might TurboTax be looking at that and saying.. well you put nine grand into this investment and that's in excess of $4,000 you're good to go?
If a distribution is taxable, you are only taxed on the earnings.
According to the IRS:
"The taxable portion is the amount of the excess distribution that represents earnings that have accumulated tax free in the account."
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