Hello Team,
I moved to U.S. on Feb 03 2022 for first time. Now I will be submitting tax returns in US for the year 2022.
Before moving to US, I used to get salary income in India. And Indian tax year is from April 2021 to March 2022. So, I submitted tax returns and paid taxes for Indian income received till Jan 2022. And I also included US salary of Feb and March 2022 in India tax returns. I included US salary in Indian tax returns because, I was resident Indian for that financial year & India also taxes global income.
Now, question is -
1. should I include salary income of Jan 2022 in US tax returns or not ? As I am resident alien for tax year.
2. I paid taxes on Feb-Mar US salary in India while submitting the Indian return. Can I get any tax credit for that ? How to claim that ? I took tax credit in India on these 2 months income for taxes paid in USA.
3. If I need to include Jan2022 salary in USD, how can I get credit for taxes paid in India ?
4. What currency conversion rate should I use for INR-USD ?
This is my first post on this community forum.
Thanks in advance.
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@DaveF1006 , @p_r_s , while I generally agree with @DaveF1006 , two items that has always troubled me :
(a) for an US person (GreenCard, Substantial Presence passed ) whom had had a change in "status" during the Tax year ( Calendar year for US purposes ), the standard statement as quoted by @DaveF1006 from the IRS resources says "for the tax year" but it is never clear as to when does the tax year begin. It would be an over-reach ( imho ) for the USA to claim taxes on a person's income while the person was not even in the country, had no income from US sources and had no financial or otherwise connection to USA. I have searched the statutes and generally failed to find a source that clearly stipulates the rules of the road. It is difficult search because mostly they do not allow word / expression search not for the whole volume). In any case , I am generally comfortable with my position because I have a published document as to when the tax year begins for such people/ persons/ entities. Generally what it says is :
If you meet the substantial presence test for a calendar year, your residency starting date is generally the first day you are present in the United States during that calendar year.
If you were a U.S. resident during any part of the preceding calendar year and you are a U.S. resident for any part of the current year, you will be considered a U.S. resident at the beginning of the current year.
If you meet both the green card test and the substantial presence test in the same year, your residency starting date is the earlier of:
This is from >>> https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/residency-starting-and-ending-dates.
(b) The other problem I have is when a short year is used what does it mean for the standard deduction -- never seen a case where it is allocated by month/ duration of stay. But I know it is allocated when computing taxes for purposes of foreign income exclusion. At the same time , if the taxpayer is whom has been here since say January 15th. and his/her tax year starts on that day, it would be gross unfair to not be able to use standard deduction especially if he/she has very little itemized deduction -- unfairly and highly taxed. Have not found a process for that ( may be I have not looked hard enough). Therefore i choose to suggest what brings some amount of fairness by using standard deduction ( if it helps the taxpayer ) esp. if the residency start date is very early in the year ( within the first quarter ). Let IRS challenge that, I say. I have not any case laws on this.
(c) I absolutely agree with @DaveF1006 that you are in good hands with TurboTax ---- we ( employee experts and volunteers ) will be here to help as and when you have questions.
Is there more one of us can do for you ?
Namaste ji,
pk
Champ @pk may be able to help. Stay tuned.
@p_r_s , on a first blush , it looks wrong ( your India tax filing ) but I need to go back a take a fresh re-look at the US-India treaty. So please could bear with me for a day or two ? Please.
In the meantime , could you please tell me more about your situation -- citizenship ( India ? ); your visa ( H1-B or what ? ); you single or with family ( and if so what visa or citizenship of spouse, if );
pk
Hello @pk ,
Thanks for taking a look. Take your time. NP.
Yes, We all are Indian citizens.
Work visa - L1B. Spouse on L2. Both husband, wife and daughter residing in USA since 03rd Feb 2022.
I referred DTAA from here - https://incometaxindia.gov.in/Pages/international-taxation/dtaa.aspx
Attaching screenshot below.
TnR,
prs
Yes, you do have an abundance of tax considerations here. Let's address these one at a time.
Here is how to claim a foreign tax credit for your taxes paid in India on your Indian income.
@p_r_s
@DaveF1006 Thanks for the help. Do you work with TurboTax ?
Replying here point by point.
1. Agree.
2. OK.
3. Understood. I will go through steps to add required details in TT. I am yet to explore website.
While calculating US tax credit in India, calculation was done as below -
i. Calculate effective tax rate in India based on Gross Indian Income and gross taxes paid. It was something 26% for the year.
ii. Calculate new tax by clubbing US income. Subtract US taxes paid from next taxes payable.
iii. I had to pay extra taxes, as my US tax rate is lower.
Do I need to follow similar process here ? If yes, I need to consider gross income for Indian tax year and taxes paid. Correct ? And divide it by 12 may be to come up for Jan 2022 income and taxes paid ?
Or all this will be take care by TT ?
4. ok, I will finalize on an exchange rate.
Yes, I am employed seasonally by TurboTax. Your assumptions are correct. You would need to only report the one month's of Indian income earned in January and calculate the tax paid for that month.
Since your Indian tax year is from April to March and if you worked through Jan, this means you worked in India for 10 months during your tax year unless I am missing something. To calculate the Indian tax levied for Jan, you should divide by 10 and not by 12 to receive a more accurate tax credit. Regardless though, you would report gross income and taxes in your US return as you have mentioned. Turbo Tax does not make this calculation automatically.
Be sure you keep all of your calculation's and a transcript of this post just in case if you are examined by the IRS. More documentation is best because the IRS looks at these type of cases favorably if every key issue is documented and accounted for. Not saying you will be examined but better be safe then sorry.
Please reach back to us as often as you need to because we are here to help.
@p_r_s
@DaveF1006 Thanks for all the help. Appreciate it.
Yes. Correct, I worked for 10 months. But , I considered 12 months in calculation because US salary income of Feb, Mar 2022 was added in Indian income and aggregate tax was paid in India. To account it, I used 12 months.
Is it correct ? Or I need to consider just Indian income of 10 months and skip US income added there ?
If I skip US income ( added to Indian income), it will result in paying double taxes. Right ? This over-lapping period confuses me.
Also, if disclosing foreign income increases chances of audit, can I just skip it ? Its just 2666 USD.
@p_r_s , having gone through the discussion with @DaveF1006 , I would like to point out the following:
For US tax Purposes:
(a) Since you were admitted to the USA on L visa on Feb. 3rd 2022, you would have started counting days present from the first full day thereafter -- so probably from the 4th of Feb ( depending on when you actually arrived , but let us assume Feb 4th. for this discussion. Thus you would have passed Substantial Presence Test early in August of 2022. Hence you would be a Resident for Tax purposes for the year 2022. Your start of the year would be the first full day you were in the USA for any purposes. Thus you would be resident for tax purposes Feb 4th. through 12/31/2022.
(b) Since your Tax-home is USA , your world income from the Residency start date on-wards would be subject to US taxes. Therefore your US earnings Feb 4th. on wards is US sourced income and taxable by US. Furthermore, because your tax home is US for the period, the income is not foreign. Any earlier income i.e. prior to entering the USA is foreign income , foreign tax home, you had no presence in the USA and hence not within the ambit of US tax laws.
(c) While I agree with the procedure for claiming foreign tax credit for any amounts taxed by both jurisdiction , I do not find any merit to the claim that you need to include any income from India for the month of Jan 2022 ( tax home, residency, work-place etc. ). Please do not do this as it will complicate things further.
For INDIA purposes
(d) While the tax year in India was 04/01/2021 through 03/31/2022, your residency changed on 02/04/2022 ; your "new " employer has a locus in USA and therefore an US entity, and while the treaty article you quoted is a bit confusing, generally safer to give primacy to one residency, I think India can claim only your income 04/01/2021 through 02/03/2022.
(e) I don't know the exact procedure to amend a return in India ,( I know it is possible and done often by businesses ) perhaps it is best that you amend your return filed in India I say this because to try to get foreign tax credit to avoid / ameliorate double taxation for the months Feb & March 2022, you would have to re-source the US incomes for those months as foreign and while quite doable, is more complicated and may not survive a challenge.
Does this make sense ?
Is there more I can do for you ?
pk,
On further analysis, I have discovered additional resources and information to share with you.
I read the response by @pk and he/she mentioned residency periods on how these can be applied. I have always operated on the premise that if you become a resident alien during a tax year, you were an resident alien for the calendar tax year according to this IRS publication. If this is the case, you would need to report your worldwide income for the calendar year. After additional research, I discovered options you can make. Here are those options.
According to IRS Publication 519, you have the ability to make an election either as a resident alien or as a dual citizen for this first year. This means you can declare your self as a non-resident for the the period of time until a date that you establish yourself as a resident alien.
According to this IRS source document you can be both a nonresident and a resident for U.S. tax purposes during the same tax year. This usually occurs in the year you arrive or depart from the United States. If so, you need to file a dual-status income tax return. Please review the link provided to file as a dual-status citizen because there are restrictions that apply. If this is the case, you may file as a non-resident from the time you entered the US until early in August when you became a resident alien.
If you choose this dual-status election, you will not need to declare your Indian income on your non-resident 1040NR return. There are drawbacks to this choice however.
As far as your US income reported on your Indian return, @pk is correct in mentioning that this is a complicated process and the treaty declaration is more confusing than helpful.
I realize I have given you a wealth of material to digest. It does boil down to a simple choice and that is to declare yourself as a resident alien for the entire tax year or a dual citizen subject to the drawbacks already listed.
My advice is to file as resident alien for the entire year just so you can claim a standard deduction for yourself and file jointly with your wife. Additionally, you have the ability to file electronically with no restrictions. Also the small amount of income earned in India may not make much of a difference because much, if not, all might be offset by a standard deduction. Also, you can possibly claim a foreign tax credit using the procedures that is listed in a previous post.
Between pk and myself, we are here to help you so reach back to us anytime.
@DaveF1006 , @p_r_s , while I generally agree with @DaveF1006 , two items that has always troubled me :
(a) for an US person (GreenCard, Substantial Presence passed ) whom had had a change in "status" during the Tax year ( Calendar year for US purposes ), the standard statement as quoted by @DaveF1006 from the IRS resources says "for the tax year" but it is never clear as to when does the tax year begin. It would be an over-reach ( imho ) for the USA to claim taxes on a person's income while the person was not even in the country, had no income from US sources and had no financial or otherwise connection to USA. I have searched the statutes and generally failed to find a source that clearly stipulates the rules of the road. It is difficult search because mostly they do not allow word / expression search not for the whole volume). In any case , I am generally comfortable with my position because I have a published document as to when the tax year begins for such people/ persons/ entities. Generally what it says is :
If you meet the substantial presence test for a calendar year, your residency starting date is generally the first day you are present in the United States during that calendar year.
If you were a U.S. resident during any part of the preceding calendar year and you are a U.S. resident for any part of the current year, you will be considered a U.S. resident at the beginning of the current year.
If you meet both the green card test and the substantial presence test in the same year, your residency starting date is the earlier of:
This is from >>> https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/residency-starting-and-ending-dates.
(b) The other problem I have is when a short year is used what does it mean for the standard deduction -- never seen a case where it is allocated by month/ duration of stay. But I know it is allocated when computing taxes for purposes of foreign income exclusion. At the same time , if the taxpayer is whom has been here since say January 15th. and his/her tax year starts on that day, it would be gross unfair to not be able to use standard deduction especially if he/she has very little itemized deduction -- unfairly and highly taxed. Have not found a process for that ( may be I have not looked hard enough). Therefore i choose to suggest what brings some amount of fairness by using standard deduction ( if it helps the taxpayer ) esp. if the residency start date is very early in the year ( within the first quarter ). Let IRS challenge that, I say. I have not any case laws on this.
(c) I absolutely agree with @DaveF1006 that you are in good hands with TurboTax ---- we ( employee experts and volunteers ) will be here to help as and when you have questions.
Is there more one of us can do for you ?
Namaste ji,
pk
@pk wrote:Your start of the year would be the first full day you were in the USA for any purposes.
As pk pointed, you are a Dual Status alien.
Unfortunately, I need to disagree with some of the other comments above. TurboTax is NOT set up for Dual Status Aliens, and you should go to a tax professional that specializes in Nonresident Aliens (and Dual Status Aliens).
For example, TurboTax does not write "Dual-Status Return" on your tax return.
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/taxation-of-dual-status-aliens
And because you have a partial-year tax year, you can not use the Standard Deduction.
https://www.irs.gov/publications/p519#en_US_2021_publink[phone number removed]
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/63#c_6
With that being said, there is an exception for the Standard Deduction for "students and business apprentices". However, I am unsure when and how that applies.
https://www.irs.gov/publications/p519#en_US_2021_publink[phone number removed]
As I said before, you really should go to a tax professional that specializes in Nonresident Alien (and Dual Status Alien) tax returns, ideally someone with experience with clients from India.
Hello All,
Thanks for all the articles and info. I had to process lot of info.
Following the advice given by Dave and publication link given by PK, I am planning to go with resident alien since day of arrival in USA. Anyways, it provides me choice if Dual-Citizen or US residency and later is beneficial to me.
1. I am not planning to change whatever I submitted in India. Two CAs explicitly told me, US income for Feb, Mar 2022 is taxable in India. May be because I am a Citizen of India. Similar to these Residency Starting and Ending Dates are not applicable to US citizens. SC below.
2. As per article for residency starting date, I will be US resident alien from Feb 4th. So, most of my other questions render invalid . So I am good to declare US salary income received since then.
Once again thank you for all the info. @pk , @DaveF1006 and spending time in web/law searches.
Thanks,
prs
A lot of good info on the dual-status situation was presented in this thread, and it appears you (@p.r.s.) are grasping it (and exercising due diligence to do it correctly). I definitely agree that visiting a specialist is a great idea when there are too many gray areas, and as @pk observed, the IRS hasn’t clarified some aspects of this. On the other hand, I think most of our very knowledgeable contributors concurred on the really important details (and if I read correctly, a dual-status 1040NR would be a formality for the month with no U.S. source income). So I think that brings us back to the due diligence thing, and (especially) just being aware of exactly how you’re proceeding, which I believe you are. Welcome to the United States, by the way!
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