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1- When entering the wages/tips , that number already excludes 401K,correct? 2- Does it also exclude HSA contributions for the year?

 
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1- When entering the wages/tips , that number already excludes 401K,correct? 2- Does it also exclude HSA contributions for the year?

Right Wages does not include any pre-tax items like 401K.  Unless it is a ROTH 401K.  You can tell because on your W2 box 1 wages is less than boxes 3 & 5 for Social Security wages.   I don't know how HSA works.

1- When entering the wages/tips , that number already excludes 401K,correct? 2- Does it also exclude HSA contributions for the year?

HSA contributions in box 12 code W   are also pre tax.  

1- When entering the wages/tips , that number already excludes 401K,correct? 2- Does it also exclude HSA contributions for the year?

@sasho1987 - the simple answer to your question is "yes"; Box 1 already excludes your 401K and HSA contributions.   So to do this correctly, all the numbers on the W-2 need to be entered EXACTLY as presented to you. 

1- When entering the wages/tips , that number already excludes 401K,correct? 2- Does it also exclude HSA contributions for the year?

Thank you

1- When entering the wages/tips , that number already excludes 401K,correct? 2- Does it also exclude HSA contributions for the year?

@NCperson  so Box 1 + Traditional 401K Contributions + HSA Contributions = Box 3?

 

 

Thank you,

1- When entering the wages/tips , that number already excludes 401K,correct? 2- Does it also exclude HSA contributions for the year?

@sasho1987 - no...because HSA cotnributions are not taxed for SS and Medicare

 

Box 1 is already reduced by HSA and 401K

Box 3 is already reduced by HSA only - this box has no bearing on your tax return in any event.

Hal_Al
Level 15

1- When entering the wages/tips , that number already excludes 401K,correct? 2- Does it also exclude HSA contributions for the year?

No. It's the government. Of course, it's not that simple. 

 

Your HSA contributions are not subject to Income tax, Social Security Tax, or Medicare Tax; therefore, Boxes 1, 3, & 5 of your W2 have already been reduced by your  HSA Contributions.

On the other hand, your 401(k) contributions are not subject to Income Tax and reduce Box 1 of your W2; however, your 401(k) Contributions are subject to Social Security Tax and Medicare Tax so they are not deducted from Boxes 3 & 5 of your W2.

 

Reference: https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/tax-credits-deductions/discussion/w2-box-1-wages-reflects-401k-con...

1- When entering the wages/tips , that number already excludes 401K,correct? 2- Does it also exclude HSA contributions for the year?

@sasho1987   Why are you trying to figure out the boxes?  Don't you have your W2?  There are several things that are pre-tax and aren't included in box 1 but maybe in box 3 & 5.  I never could figure out my W2 boxes.  My paystubs never matched my W2.   If you don't understand something on your W2 you have to ask your employer.  You should not be making up the W2 entries.

1- When entering the wages/tips , that number already excludes 401K,correct? 2- Does it also exclude HSA contributions for the year?


@NCperson wrote:

@sasho1987 - no...because HSA cotnributions are not taxed for SS and Medicare

 

Box 1 is already reduced by HSA and 401K

Box 3 is already reduced by HSA only - this box has no bearing on your tax return in any event.


Don't forget the employee share of health insurance premiums, employer-provided parking, and some other less common tax-advantaged employee benefits.

 

If you are trying to "create" a W-2 because you didn't get one, it would be better to start with all the facts and work forward, instead of trying to work backwards.

 

If you are trying to estimate your future tax bill, then your box 1 taxable income is your wages minus pre-tax employee benefits.  Some pre-tax benefits are also subtracted from box 3 and box 5, but other benefits are only subtracted from box 1, and we would need more details if you want a precise figure.  (Box 3 also has a maximum value of $147,000 for 2022, even if you earn more, you only pay SS tax on the first $147,000.)

1- When entering the wages/tips , that number already excludes 401K,correct? 2- Does it also exclude HSA contributions for the year?

First, thank you all for the answers, that helped clarify my question. So Box 1 is the number without 401K and HSA and box 3 is the number without401K. HSA is not even included in those boxes.

@Opus 17 @VolvoGirl  To sum up why I am looking at these boxes is because I want to estimate how much additional taxes I need to pay per paycheck to avoid owing taxes and a fee for underpaying taxes at the end of the year (since there is a significant difference between my salary and my wife's, about 5X).

I tried using the IRS tax estimator but it gave me some numbers that did not make sense. It told me that I would be getting a refund when in reality I owe every single year and with this new role, I am going to owe a lot more. I also looked at the back of the w4 form to estimate how much taxes I need to take out and it didn't make sense either.

Since I took the new role mid-this year I was going to do the following (to estimate):
- Get my income from last year, and divide it by half
-Estimate my income for the rest of the year in my new role (a bit more difficult to do)
- Add up both incomes to estimate my end-of-year income
-View year-to-date taxes and estimate the taxes that will be withheld in my new role and add those up
- Get my deductions from last year (standard deductions, HSA contributions..etc, 401K) and calculate this year's projected AGI
- Use that AGI to estimate my end-of-year tax liability
- Subtract end of year tax liability from what I have currently paid
-Divide the difference by however many months left


This should give me a rough idea of how much more taxes I need to pay or at least I think it will but I hope that explains why I was asking these questions. I could be completely wrong so please feel free to correct me.

Hal_Al
Level 15

1- When entering the wages/tips , that number already excludes 401K,correct? 2- Does it also exclude HSA contributions for the year?

You will not owe an under payment penalty  if either of the following apply:
- 1. You owe less than  $1,000 in tax for the current tax year, after subtracting your withholding and credits. 
- 2. Your withholding and credits tare at least 90% of the tax shown on your current year’s tax return, or  100% of the tax shown on your prior year’s tax return (110% if your income was more than $150K) . .

1- When entering the wages/tips , that number already excludes 401K,correct? 2- Does it also exclude HSA contributions for the year?

@sasho1987 

Its not clear to me why the IRS estimator would not work, unless you had not had a paycheck from your new job when you did it.  The IRS calculator is going to work best when you’ve had at least one or two paychecks from your current job, so that you can enter your prior history and then your future information will all be based on the new job.

 

If you were to run your estimates without considering the 401(k) or HSA, then at worst, you would have too much tax withheld and you would get a refund.

 

Another way to prepare an estimate would be to pull together an estimate of your wife’s W-2 for 2022 plus your two W-2s for 2022 and then enter them in TurboTax for 2021. This will not be 100% accurate and will not take into account any tax law changes that occur later this year, but it would give you a reasonably accurate tax return. If you are using TurboTax online, be sure to create a new test account with a different username and password then your regular account, you don’t want to change the figures in your as-filed return.

 

If you are making HSA contributions by payroll deduction, you ignore them completely on your W-2. They are not included in box 1, Box 3, or box 5. Treat them as though you had agreed to a reduction in your taxable salary so the money is not included in your income at all, and then the employer makes the contribution for you.  Contributions to a pretax 401(k) are subtracted from your box 1 wages but they’re still considered “earned income “and our subject to Social Security and Medicare withholding in box 3 and 5.

 

To create your estimate, I would start by creating three projected W-2s. Don’t combine all of your incomes and then look at the effect of payroll deductions, take the effect of the payroll deductions first on each W-2.  Once you get the three estimated W-2s, you can add up your AGI and subtract the standard deduction to get your taxable income, and then look up the tax in the tax tables. Then compare the tax with the estimated withholding from the three W-2s.

1- When entering the wages/tips , that number already excludes 401K,correct? 2- Does it also exclude HSA contributions for the year?

@Opus 17 

 

I am not sure about the IRS calculator, I do have a paycheck from my new role but it is pro-rated so I had to make some estimations. Maybe I can give it another try when I get my second paycheck which will be the full amount.

 

Your idea on using Turbo Tax to estimate is very good, thank you for that as I did not think about this. I will give this a try and see what comes up.

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