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Why did turbo tax calculate the wrong social security taxable benefit amount for 2018?

 
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Why did turbo tax calculate the wrong social security taxable benefit amount for 2018?

It doesn't.  It calculates the taxable amount of Social Security based on your other income.  

 

If the IRS says more of your SS is taxable it might be because they changed and increased some other income on your return.  Read the letter again.  A common change is they increased the taxable amount of any 1099R you got for Pensions, and 401k or IRA withdrawals or conversions.

 

 

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Why did turbo tax calculate the wrong social security taxable benefit amount for 2018?

Nope, I checked the IRS by downloading a Worksheet for "figuring your taxable benefits", plugged in my figures from my submitted tax return and the IRS is right, Turbo Tax is wrong.  That is why I'm reporting it.  The IRS notice reads :"We believe there's a miscalculation on your 2018 Form 1040, which affects the following area of your return: (Tax on Social Security Benefits) They corrected it which reduced my refund by $155.00

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Why did turbo tax calculate the wrong social security taxable benefit amount for 2018?

TurboTax's Social Security Benefits Worksheet implements the IRS calculation.  Compare this worksheet to your own calculation to find why TurboTax calculated a different taxable amount.  Given the same inputs to this worksheet and the worksheet that you used to do the calculation, I'm sure that TurboTax would produce the same result, so it's likely that the inputs are different.  You'll likely find that the IRS indeed caught some other item of income that was missing from your tax return or disallowed some above-the-line deduction (Schedule 1 Adjustments to income) and the $155 tax difference is due to the increase in AGI caused by the combination of these effects.  Without the details needed to perform the calculation, it's not possible to know why the results differ.

 

Also, the IRS letter should not be construed as indicating that the calculation method of the taxable amount of Social Security income is flawed, only that the taxable amount of Social Security income that the IRS calculated disagrees with what was reported on your tax return.  The IRS refers to any disagreement as a "miscalculation."  That disagreement is virtually always caused by some other change that the IRS made to your tax return.

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Why did turbo tax calculate the wrong social security taxable benefit amount for 2018?

I entered the same number for both the TurboTax online and TurboTax CD versions. The TurboTax CD returned a $249 smaller deduction for Social Security than the online version. Of course, I can't see the actual online worksheets unless I pay for them. The CD version looks correct.

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Why did turbo tax calculate the wrong social security taxable benefit amount for 2018?

If you think the calculation was not correct on your tax return, you can file an accuracy guarantee claim with TurboTaxs as follows:

 

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/charges-and-fees/help/how-do-i-submit-a-claim-under-the-turbotax-1...

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Why did turbo tax calculate the wrong social security taxable benefit amount for 2018?

What do you mean a smaller deduction?  The taxable SS is different for line 5b?  Then another income line has to be different too.  You have to compare each lines.  It's easy to enter something different or answer a question differently between online and Desktop.

 

heres an idea......you can try downloading your online return tax file without paying for it.  But first save your Desktop return with a different name.  Then you can find what's different.

 

First download the .tax file from the Online version,  

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/saving/help/how-do-i-save-my-turbotax-online-return-as-a-tax-data-...

 

Then see, How to Switch to Desktop,

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/choosing-a-product/help/how-do-i-switch-from-turbotax-online-to-th...

 

After you get the program installed the first thing to do before you open your tax return is to update the program and install any state programs you had.  So you first might need to start a fake return to be able to download the state program (go to FILE - New)

 

Then you just OPEN the .tax2019 file, go up to File-Open.  You don't import or transfer it.

 

 

 

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Why did turbo tax calculate the wrong social security taxable benefit amount for 2018?

I had the same problem with my 2019 return where the taxable SS amount was higher per the IRS vs the TurboTax calculation.  I'll do the calculation manually and see where there is a difference in how it was calculated and post results.  Seems that responses to customer's inquiry all point to operator error as though TT couldn't make a mistake.

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Why did turbo tax calculate the wrong social security taxable benefit amount for 2018?

I've now determined the cause of the error.  In an effort to determine estimated tax, I had created an initial estimated tax return which included the taxable SS income figure.  When I modified this initial tax return to create the final return,  the initial taxable SS figure was used (overridden) and I did not realize it nor do I recall the software app asking me to confirm that I wanted to use the overridden figure.

I should have reviewed the calculation worksheets as the overridden number is highlighted in red.  

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Why did turbo tax calculate the wrong social security taxable benefit amount for 2018?

I am aware of no case documented on this forum where either 2018 or 2019 TurboTax incorrectly calculated the taxable amount of Social Security benefits.  Given the millions of tax returns prepared using TurboTax that include taxable Social Security benefits and the fact that the calculation method has not changed for many years, it's extremely unlikely that TurboTax makes any such calculation error.

 

The most common cause of a discrepancy between the amount of taxable Social Security benefits determined by TurboTax and the by the IRS is that the user made an error on their tax return that resulted in an incorrect amount of other income being reported and the IRS corrected that, causing a change to the taxable amount of Social Security benefits.  Within a certain range, the taxable amount of Social Security benefits depends on the amount of other income on the tax return.

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Why did turbo tax calculate the wrong social security taxable benefit amount for 2018?

In the case of scubar's error of failing to remove an override, that would have been caught by TurboTax's Smart Check.  For the tax return to be filed that way the tax return would have to have been mailed, ignoring or overlooking TurboTax's flagging of this error.

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Why did turbo tax calculate the wrong social security taxable benefit amount for 2018?

Yes dmertz, I would have expected the smartcheck to have caught it as it has questioned overrides in the past.  Guess I just missed it as I always use the smartcheck feature.  In any event, I'll be more careful in the future.

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