I’ve read that if you file your kids as dependents but someone else has, the e-file will be rejected, but you can still do your taxes on paper and mail them, but get a letter from the IRS stating that those dependents were already claimed and ask for proof of who the rightful one to file is.
I’m researching this, because my mother in law had filed our daughter without permission years ago, and my e-file was rejected. When we confronted her, she let me use a credit card of hers to get what I would’ve used the tax return on, so we resolved it by ourselves. And I’ve been filing the children each year after, since the other parent is on SSDI and cannot file taxes.
The issue this year is that we just recently separated. This won’t be your classic case of two parents fighting over who can file the kids, so I doubt I need that form 8832. I am still the one who has provided for the children the whole year, and of course both of us parents and the kids were living together; however, the now ex-mother-in-law has also spent lots of money on them as she makes more than I do and spoils her grandchildren with needless things. And now that we’re separated, I have a sneaking suspicion that the grandmother will try to claim both our children so she’ll have the money to repay debt she’s incurred (the reason she filed 1 of our kids without permission before).
The kids have never lived with her, and when we get a court order for visitation, they will be split between the parents’ homes, and I will still be supporting them as well as the other parent, NOT the grandmother. She will probably try thinking she is in the right since she is the mother of the parent who doesn’t file taxes. And even moving forward, I will still be the only one of the immediate parents who can file taxes, and the children will be spending half their time with.
So if she tries claiming them as I think she will, and the IRS asks for proof, what proof will be needed? Do they know who the immediate parents are, and that the mother-in-law in question does not have custody of the children at her home? How do I prepare myself if that happens?
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Additional references: https://www.thebalance.com/claiming-same-dependent-audit-risk-3193030
http://taxes.about.com/od/dependents/qt/Dependents-Audits.htm
www.eitc.irs.gov/EITCCentral/f886-h-dep.pdf
You don't need proof of support. You only need proof that you lived with the kids more than half the year.
A child of a taxpayer can still be a “Qualifying Child” (QC) dependent, regardless of the child’s income, if:
1. He is under age 19, or under 24 if a full time student for at least 5 months of the year, or is totally & permanently disabled
2. He did not provide more than 1/2 his own support. Note that the support test is not how much support the taxpayer provided.
3. He lived with the parent (including temporary absences such as away at school) for more than half the year
The mother-in-law will also be asked to provide proof and she won’t be able to.
Going forward, For tax purposes, there is no such thing as joint custody, regardless of what your legal agreement says. The requirement, to be custodial parent, is that the child live with you MORE than 50% of the time. One of you has to be the custodial parent and the other the non-custodial parent. The IRS goes by physical custody, not legal custody.
The custodial parent has first priority on claiming the children on her taxes; regardless of the amount of support provided by the non-custodial parent. The non-custodial parent can only claim the child as a dependent if the custodial parent gives permission (on form 8332) or if it's spelled out in a pre 2009 divorce decree. Even if a divorce decree, dated after 2008, gives the non-custodial parent the right to claim the child, he must still get form 8332 from the custodial parent. A properly worded decree should require her to provide that form. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8332.pdf. Be sure the tax issue is covered in the court papers
The real problem may be if the mother moves in with the grandmother and the child lives there the most. Then, the grandmother can claim the child, ahead of you. Or if the mother gets some part time work and files a return. It only takes a couple of bucks of income to file. The refundable child based tax credits are very generous.
There is a way to split the tax
benefits.
This may be helpful in your negotiations with the ex:
There is a special rule in the case
of divorced & separated (including never married) parents. When the
non-custodial parent is claiming the child as a dependent/exemption/child tax
credit; the custodial parent is still allowed to claim the same child for
Earned Income Credit, Head of Household filing status, and day care credit.
This "splitting of the child" is not available to parents who lived
together at any time during the last 6 months of the year; then only one of you
can claim the child for any tax reasons. The tax benefits may not be split in
any other manner.
Note in particular that the non-custodial parent can never claim the Earned Income Credit, Head of Household filing status or the day care credit, based on that child, even when the custodial parent has released the exemption to him.
So, it's good idea to let the other parent know that you will be claiming those items, as many first time divorced parents are not aware of this rule and may try to claim those items, which will cause the IRS to send out letters.
Ref: http://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch03.html#en_US_2014_publink1000170897 Scroll down to "Children of divorced or separated parents (or parents who live apart)"
Additional references: https://www.thebalance.com/claiming-same-dependent-audit-risk-3193030
http://taxes.about.com/od/dependents/qt/Dependents-Audits.htm
www.eitc.irs.gov/EITCCentral/f886-h-dep.pdf
You don't need proof of support. You only need proof that you lived with the kids more than half the year.
A child of a taxpayer can still be a “Qualifying Child” (QC) dependent, regardless of the child’s income, if:
1. He is under age 19, or under 24 if a full time student for at least 5 months of the year, or is totally & permanently disabled
2. He did not provide more than 1/2 his own support. Note that the support test is not how much support the taxpayer provided.
3. He lived with the parent (including temporary absences such as away at school) for more than half the year
The mother-in-law will also be asked to provide proof and she won’t be able to.
Going forward, For tax purposes, there is no such thing as joint custody, regardless of what your legal agreement says. The requirement, to be custodial parent, is that the child live with you MORE than 50% of the time. One of you has to be the custodial parent and the other the non-custodial parent. The IRS goes by physical custody, not legal custody.
The custodial parent has first priority on claiming the children on her taxes; regardless of the amount of support provided by the non-custodial parent. The non-custodial parent can only claim the child as a dependent if the custodial parent gives permission (on form 8332) or if it's spelled out in a pre 2009 divorce decree. Even if a divorce decree, dated after 2008, gives the non-custodial parent the right to claim the child, he must still get form 8332 from the custodial parent. A properly worded decree should require her to provide that form. https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8332.pdf. Be sure the tax issue is covered in the court papers
The real problem may be if the mother moves in with the grandmother and the child lives there the most. Then, the grandmother can claim the child, ahead of you. Or if the mother gets some part time work and files a return. It only takes a couple of bucks of income to file. The refundable child based tax credits are very generous.
There is a way to split the tax
benefits.
This may be helpful in your negotiations with the ex:
There is a special rule in the case
of divorced & separated (including never married) parents. When the
non-custodial parent is claiming the child as a dependent/exemption/child tax
credit; the custodial parent is still allowed to claim the same child for
Earned Income Credit, Head of Household filing status, and day care credit.
This "splitting of the child" is not available to parents who lived
together at any time during the last 6 months of the year; then only one of you
can claim the child for any tax reasons. The tax benefits may not be split in
any other manner.
Note in particular that the non-custodial parent can never claim the Earned Income Credit, Head of Household filing status or the day care credit, based on that child, even when the custodial parent has released the exemption to him.
So, it's good idea to let the other parent know that you will be claiming those items, as many first time divorced parents are not aware of this rule and may try to claim those items, which will cause the IRS to send out letters.
Ref: http://www.irs.gov/publications/p17/ch03.html#en_US_2014_publink1000170897 Scroll down to "Children of divorced or separated parents (or parents who live apart)"
I need help I had my children back home 6 year in my home all three of them I need to file fraud cases because for five years my daughter in law continues to use my children without any permission from me and she and my son is separated for a long time but now i been going through hard times and for years my brother has been helping me out with money weekly so I let him file my children it was unsuccessful please call [phone number removed] if someone is able to help us [removed] thank u
@Hayley12 wrote:
I need help I had my children back home 6 year in my home all three of them I need to file fraud cases because for five years my daughter in law continues to use my children without any permission from me and she and my son is separated for a long time but now i been going through hard times and for years my brother has been helping me out with money weekly so I let him file my children it was unsuccessful please call [phone number removed] if someone is able to help us [removed] thank u
You cannot amend any year prior to 2017 for a refund since those years are closed by the 3 year statute of limitation.
If a dependent that you are entitled to claim has already been claimed by another taxpayer then your only recourse is to file a correct tax return, claiming what you are entitled to claim, then print and mail the return.
The IRS will process both returns and pay any refunds. Shortly (within a year) the IRS will mail letters to both taxpayers asking if their tax return was filed in error and suggesting that they amend if they improperly claimed the child.
If neither taxpayer amends, the IRS will send a second letter asking for each taxpayers proof that they are entitled to claim the dependent, such as proof that the child physically lived with them more than half the year. School records, child care records, household receipts, medical bills, etc., that show that the child lives with you should be retained.
The IRS will evaluate each taxpayers claim and award the dependent to one taxpayer, the other will have to payback any refund received plus interest and possible penalties. The taxpayer that had physical custody usually always wins.
Do not ignore the letters or you will loose.
another item of proof is a current picture of the children's bedroom with a picture of them inside.
@Hayley12 wrote:
my brother has been helping me out with money weekly so I let him file my children it was unsuccessful
Does he QUALIFY to claim them? You would need to look into that.
For your daughter-in-law that has been claiming them, depending on the circumstances, she MIGHT be eligible to claim them if you do not claim them yourself. Again, the specific details matter.
As for your original question, if somebody is claiming them that is not eligible to claim them, the first step is to get an Identity Theft PIN:
https://www.irs.gov/identity-theft-fraud-scams/get-an-identity-protection-pin
Generally, wrongfully reporting a dependent is not considered as Tax Fraud, but if you do want to pursue that course, here is how to do it:
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/how-do-you-report-suspected-tax-fraud-activity
But before you do that, you REALLY need to find out who is eligible to claim them and who is not. It can get complicated, so you may want to consult a tax professional.
Thank you that was very helpful
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