Does turbotax support filing for a home day care business and claim the allowed expenses ? Does turbox tax guide me througth the specific expenses which could be claimed towards home day care expenses ?
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Good afternoon maheshpujara,
Congratulations to your spouse on starting a home daycare.
TurboTax supports filing for a home daycare business and helps you claim all of the expenses you are entitled to including business use of home .
Thank you for reaching out to the TurboTax Community
Thanks I have two of follow-up questions regarding the business use of home .
As I understand part of the mortgage interest depending on the time and space used can be deducted as expense towards in home child care.
The first follow-up question is, how about property taxes? Can I deduct property taxes also as an expense towards in home child care business ?
And second follow-up question is,
If this is a primary residence which is also used for in home childcare, Can I deduct mortgage interest paid towards regular taxable income calculation and also as an expense towards in home child care business? or only one is allowed ?
Thanks I have one more follow-up question regarding the business use of home .
Can I deduct the maintenance and cleaning expenses toward the business use of home when home is used as a licensed childcare facility ? if a Cleaner and Gardner takes cash payments, can I still deduct those expenses towards home day care expenses ?
Yes. You will need online Self-Employed or any version of the CD/download. You will have self-employment income for which you pay Social Security and Medicare, as well as ordinary tax. You have to prepare a Schedule C for the business expenses. TT will walk you through it.
https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/self-employed/help/what-is-the-self-employment-tax/00/25922
https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/2902389-why-am-i-paying-self-employment-tax
https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1901340-where-do-i-enter-schedule-c
https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/3398950-what-self-employed-expenses-can-i-deduct
https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1901110-do-i-need-to-make-estimated-tax-payments-to-the-irs
https://turbotax.intuit.com/tax-tools/calculators/self-employed/
Can someone please help answer the follow-up questions I have ? thanks in advance.
@maheshpujara wrote:
Can someone please help answer the follow-up questions I have ? thanks in advance.
Can I deduct the maintenance and cleaning expenses toward the business use of home when home is used as a licensed childcare facility ? if a Cleaner and Gardner takes cash payments, can I still deduct those expenses towards home day care expenses ?
For business use of a home, including as a home day care, see these links.
https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc509
https://www.irs.gov/publications/p587
For general business expenses, see this link,
https://www.irs.gov/forms-pubs/about-publication-535
"To be deductible, a business expense must be both ordinary and necessary. An ordinary expense is one that is common and accepted in your industry. A necessary expense is one that is helpful and appropriate for your trade or business. An expense does not have to be indispensable to be considered necessary."
Furthermore, when you have expenses that apply to a whole house, you must allocate the expense between the home and the business on a percentage basis. If 20% of the home is used for business, then 20% of the expense is a business expense. (See publication 587 for how to calculate the business use percentage on a home day care.)
However, expenses must still be ordinary and necessary. For example, if you have a pool and pay for a pool service, but you never use the pool for the day care (because it's a liability hazard), then none of the pool expense is a day care expense even if you use the home 20% for day care and 20% of your other household expenses are considered deductible business expenses.
So whether a gardener and home cleaning service are deductible as day care expenses depends, in part, on whether or not they are ordinary and necessary expenses for a day care, and if they apply to the portion of the home used for the day care. If you want an exact answer that you can rely on if audited, you would need to hire your own tax professional, we can only explain the rules and make suggestions.
As far as cash payments are concerned, you can deduct business expenses that are paid in cash. You must have your own reliable business records to prove the expense if audited. A reliable record is one that is written down (or put into a spreadsheet) contemporaneous with the expense. The IRS will look much more favorably on records you keep over the course of a year than to a record you make up from memory the night before the audit. If your records are neat and complete, the IRS is likely to believe them, if incomplete and sloppy, you may have a problem. Of course, you can also ask your home services to provide receipts.
However, this does raise a secondary issue. You as a business must issue a 1099-MISC or 1099-NEC form to any other person or business who provides service to your business, if you pay them more than $600 in a calendar year. You must also collect their tax number (EIN or Social security number) and report the payments to the IRS.
Going back to the gardener. If you are a private homeowner, you don't issue a 1099-NEC to the gardener. But if you are a business, you are required to issue a 1099-NEC to the gardener if you pay them more than $600 in a year. I have not considered this situation before. Suppose your gardener charges $100 per week, and your day care home use percentage is 20%. That means your business is paying the gardener $1040 per year, which triggers the requirement to issue a 1099-NEC (only for the portion paid for the business, not the personal use.). I think that's probably the correct way to handle it.
I haven't considered this exact situation before.
@Critter-3 @VolvoGirl what do you think?
Thanks a lot @Opus 17 , that was super useful, appreciate it, I would go through the IRS publication docs.
If I may ask one more follow-up please, for reporting taxes for home day care business, does my wife need to obtain a Employer Identification Number (EIN) or tax ID number ? or she can use her Social Security number ?
She runs the day care and we file the joint returns, if that matters.
She doesn't need a EIN but she might want to get one to give to the parents instead of her ssn. The parents will need her number to claim the child care credit.
@maheshpujara wrote:
Thanks a lot @Opus 17 , that was super useful, appreciate it, I would go through the IRS publication docs.
If I may ask one more follow-up please, for reporting taxes for home day care business, does my wife need to obtain a Employer Identification Number (EIN) or tax ID number ? or she can use her Social Security number ?
She runs the day care and we file the joint returns, if that matters.
She is required to use an EIN for the business if she pays other employees. If there are no other employees, she may use her SSN. However, many small business owners will get an EIN anyway, for privacy reasons. As a day care provider, any parent who wants to claim the child care credit will need the tax number (SSN or EIN) of the provider.
She can get an EIN for free online.
Thanks @Opus 17 @VolvoGirl , that makes sense.
Thanks a lot @Opus 17 and @VolvoGirl
My wife is trying to apply for EIN but not sure if she should register as Sole Proprietor or Household Employer ? She owns the business and we are gonna file joint return, she would need to hire some helper to help out in the future,
What would be right category for this case ?
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