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For the first TWO WEEKS that the “Check Payment Status” and “Non-Filers” feature was live on the IRS web site, the text suggested that you could use this feature to “check, verify or submit” your current Direct Deposit information.
Nothing on the site made a distinction between “non-filer” YET as opposed to “non- filer” EVER.
A VERY important distinction. As a result.... FOR TWO WEEKS...thousands? millions? of people who HAD filed 2018, but had not YET filed 2019, used this IRS feature believing that the feature was for them. They were “non-filers” YET, and they wanted to make sure the IRS had their DD info so they wouldn’t need to wait extra time for a paper check to be delivered.
They did this mistakenly but there was no wording on the site yet to let people know this. It’s an honest and understandable mistake because whoever wrote the language on the site at the IRS did a s**t job explaining it.
AND.... Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin publicly promised there would be a feature on the IRS web site for people to check and verify their DD info. This turned out to be BS. One month later it still doesn’t exist.
ALSO... Mnuchin said that if you filed a 2018 OR a 2019 return, you would receive your stimulus money via whatever method the IRS had on file for you. This also is total BS. It’s completely untrue. In the real world, (as opposed to the Administrations BS fantasy world) people who filed 2019 returns got their money this way.
At this point.... the ONLY way to provide the IRS with current Direct Deposit information or an updated mailing address, is to file a 2019 return.
It’s not what Treasury promised. It’s not what the Administration told us would be true. But these are the FACTS as known by people who don’t live in a delusional fantasy b** s**t bubble like this Administration does. Not the “alternative B** S**t facts”. The actual FACT facts.
If you only filed a 2018, but not a 2019 YET, you are getting a paper check in rolling order based upon your Adjusted Gross Income from 2018. The promise that 2018 filers would receive stimulus via their DD on file turned out to be BS. It’s not happening. “2018 filers / 2019 not yet filers”, will need to wait for paper checks in the mail. See the paper roll out schedule below.
TODAY.... and as of last week... more than TWO WEEKS AFTER, the roll out of this feature on the IRS web site, the IRS added a yellow warning box which FINALLY clarified that this tool should not be used unless you intend to not file a 2019 EVER. (A permanent “non-filer”... and not just a “not filed YET non-filer”.)
It took TWO WEEKS for this warning box and desperately needed clarification to show up on the IRS site.
Thousands of people... maybe tens of thousands .. maybe millions of people incorrectly used this IRS tool at no fault of their own.
The IRS, the Treasury Department, and Steve Mnuchin specifically, royally screwed up and didn’t provide a clarification for TWO WEEKS.
But wait... it’s even worse than that...
They CLEARLY KNOW, at this point that the tool is being misused and used for the wrong purpose. They likely changed the wording and added the yellow warning box when they noticed a massive surge in non-filer status submissions and realized what was going on.
So, even though they now KNOW that massive numbers of people used this feature incorrectly.... and they now KNOW, that they needed to update the language and add the warning box, and did just that.... BUT....
.... they didn’t add ANY information to tell the people who used the tool mistakenly but understandably, how to retract their non-filer status change.... or what they should now do because they have all been locked out of the e-file system.
NOTHING!
The Treasury, the IRS, and Mnuchin CAUSED this problem. Then they didn’t correct it for more than TWO WEEKS. Then when they did finally correct it, they are providing no published remedy for what all these people need to to to reverse it or correct it or get their e-file access restored.
THIS is why this thread is LOADED with wrong information, stupid information and criticism of ignorant people telling the others, “hey there’s a warning box... it’s your own fault”. No it’s not the users fault.
If you filed a 2019 return you should receive your stimulus money via the method provided on your return IF, you filed this 2019 BEFORE the IRS got to your name on their Paper Check list.
If you have not filed a 2019 return YET, or not filing one EVER, you are on the list to receive a paper check in the mail.
The “2018 filers are fine” promise turned out to be BS.
IF, you filed a 2018 with one set of dependents or children counted... and those numbers are different in 2019 but you haven’t filed your 2019 YET, I don’t know what will happen to you in terms of the dollar amount you will receive. Presumably you will receive a dollar amount based on your 2018 return. If you have added dependents or children in 2019 over 2018, then you are best served by getting your 2019 filed ASAP or you will be shorted money due to you.
Here is the schedule for when you can expect a paper check.
This is what the screen looked like when the IRS tool opened up & the Turbotax site ... BOTH tell you if you are required to file a return to NOT use it ... so those who failed to read the screens have no one to blame but themselves and their ONLY option now is to mail in an amended return per IRS regulations.
More wrong-ness, piled on top of all the original wrong-ness.....
1) Look at the creation date in the meta-data of the image that you posted from the IRS. That is NOT from the date that the feature rolled out. The users in this thread were not even referring to this page anyways.
Everyone who made the "non-filers" mistake are freely acknowledging that they made a mistake. YES... these people made a mistake when they THOUGHT they were trying to verify their DD and mailing address info, when in fact they were declaring themselves to the IRS as a non-filer for 2019.
The argument people in this thread are making is that it wasn't clear at the time.... and now are seeking a mechanism to reverse their mistake. Filing a 1040X to correct this filing STATUS mistake is the WRONG answer. No they should NOT file a 1040X.
REMEDY: They can go back to the e-file URL, log in and "Start Over" and "DELETE" the mistaken blank 1040 they submitted in error to remove their "non-filer" status from the IRS records and literally Start Over and now submit their correct 1040.
The Web Archive... aka: The WayBack Machine, records historic references to the ENTIRE INTERNET. This has made it very simple for me to "go back in time" and view the ACTUAL IRS website, and see what info was and wasn't available on every single day. These images are at the end of this post, because I have 4 more errors of yours to point out first.
2) The second image you post here is from the Turbo-Tax web site. Why are you adding this to the conversation? Nobody in this thread is referring to anything having to do with Turbo-Tax. It's an irrelevant image to this discussion.
3) You are STILL, telling people that their "ONLY" remedy is file a 1040X Amendment.
THIS IS 100% WRONG!!!!!!!
The 1040X is for amending FINANCIAL information, NOT for changing your FILING STATUS from "non-filer" to "Filer".
Go look at the 1040X Form for yourself. There is NO PROVISION for "amending" anything except FINANCIAL information.
4) You cite IRS "regulations" as the source of this claim. NO WRONG. It is NOT an IRS "regulation" at all. This is 100% made-up B.S. to try and justify all your previous wrong answers in this thread.
5) If someone made this mistake of filing as a "non-filer", they can go to the e-file link where their mistaken e-file exists, and "START OVER" and "DELETE" the original mistaken (essentially blank) return.
THIS is the remedy.
REMEDY: They can go back to the e-file URL, log in and "Start Over" and "DELETE" the mistaken blank 1040 they submitted in error to remove their "non-filer" status from the IRS records and literally Start Over and now submit their correct 1040.
6) Here are the IRS screen shots from the WayBack Machine. It shows EXACTLY what info was on the IRS web site and on which days.
On April 1st.... it looked like this.
No Reference to Non-Filers yet BUT... there IS a link for COVID-19 info which provided a link to the non-filers info.
The Non-Filers link was not added until April 11th...
On the next page.... see the box circled in RED. THIS is the point where many people made their error. Yes, it is true that the text ABOVE the button spells out the definition of what a "non-filer" is. But look at the blue colored button.
"Non-Filers... Enter your PAYMENT INFO here."
The people who made the error, are in a specific mental frame of mind at this point. They are searching / scanning the page for where they should enter their PAYMENT info in order to receive their Stimulus PAYMENT.
First... they clicked on "Get Corona Relief" on the first page.
Second... they arrived here and saw "Enter Payment Info HERE"
Third... they ARE a "non-filer" (in their thinking), because they haven't sent in their 2019 return YET. What they didn't realize is that this term means "non-filer" with no intention or requirement to file a 2019 AT ALL.
Yes, they made a mistake. If they had read the instructional text they may not have clicked this. But they did. And it's an understandable mistake. How do we know that the wording was unclear and that it was an understandable mistake?
Because the IRS CHANGED the wording and added a Yellow Warning Box on TWO following dates, to make it more clear.
On April 17th they added the first attempt at a Yellow Warning Box.
It was not until April 20th, that the IRS changed "Enter PAYMENT info here" to "Enter Your Information".... and added a Spanish language button.
These are the FACT FACTS.
Not the delusional ramblings of the "alternative facts" nut faction.
I'm unclear what you are asking.....
You stated: "I have to use my 2018 return for the AGI information on the “get my payment status” portal on the IRS website and we made much higher on 2018 compared to our 2019.... "
There is no need to enter any AGI info in order to use the Get My Payment" portal. You only enter your name, SS#, and address info to get your payment status through that portal.
BUT.... if I understand the underlying question correctly....
The DATE that the IRS will send out your paper check, IS on a rolling schedule, based on your AGI. Lower AGI's will roll out sooner and higher AGI's will receive their payment later.
Since your AGI changed significantly from 2018-2019.... are you asking which AGI (2018 or 2019) will be used to determine which date your check will be mailed?
If this is your question, I don't know for certain, but....
My best guess would be that they will use the most current AGI info on whichever return they already have on file for you.
If you have NOT yet filed a 2019..... they will presumably use the check mailing date which corresponds to your 2018 AGI. (see the chart below)
If you HAVE filed your 2019 return, then your check will presumably be mailed on the date which corresponds with your 2019 AGI. (see the chart below)
As for your other question: "Is there a way to have a tax credit when we file our 2020 tax return next year?"
A tax "credit" for 2020 is unknowable at this point.
Any credit or payment due for 2020, will be based upon your earnings in 2020.
I have not found any information yet, which tells the public if these stimulus payments received in 2019 are "taxable", themselves. Unemployment compensation IS taxable.
Are these Stimulus Payments (of $1,200 single or $2,400 couples + $500 child) going to be "taxable income" on our 2020 returns next year? I don't know yet.
This chart was published by The Motley Fool web site. (google it if you want the URL)
It shows when people will receive their paper Stimulus Checks in the US Postal snail-mail.
If the IRS did not have your DD info on file by the 17th of April, then it appears you are getting a paper check, not Direct Deposit.
ORIGINALLY, the Administration reported that you WOULD receive a Direct Deposit payment instead of a paper check IF, you had filed a 2018 OR a 2019 return. My anecdotal information is that this turned out to be false. I am not aware of anyone who filed a 2018 but not a 2019 YET, who received a DD payment.
IN REALITY, DD payments ONLY went to 2019 filers. The 2018 filers (but 2019 not filed YET) appear to all be getting paper checks based on the time table below.... and the date of your check being mailed will be based on your 2018 Adjusted Gross Income (AGI).
Bottom line ... when you used the stimulus registration option you DID file a return with a $1 bank interest income on it .... so to correct your ERROR you must file an amended return ... not sure if just sending in the 1040 with a cover letter will work ... the IRS has yet to put out instructions yet. See the IRS warnings here below ... from the NON filers tool ...
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