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how to report backdoor roth - step by step

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**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**
unicorn1988
Returning Member

how to report backdoor roth - step by step

I don't see any of the questions after I uploaded the 1099-Rs (I have 3 of them: 2 from different companies of code G, and 1 of GB). When I enter my IRA info in the Tax Break section, I was told "Income too high to deduct an IRA contribution". Does this affect the legibility of my backdoor IRA? Could someone please help?

how to report backdoor roth - step by step


@unicorn1988 wrote:

I don't see any of the questions after I uploaded the 1099-Rs (I have 3 of them: 2 from different companies of code G, and 1 of GB). When I enter my IRA info in the Tax Break section, I was told "Income too high to deduct an IRA contribution". Does this affect the legibility of my backdoor IRA? Could someone please help?


 

A code G is a direct trustee-to-trustee rollover of an employer retirement plan such as a 401(k).

 

A code GB is a direct trustee-to-trustee rollover of an employer retirement plan such as a designated Roth (401(k) Roth).

 

Nothing should be entered into the IRA contribution section for either of these.

 

If you have any any yer end balance in any Traditional IRA account, the "backdoor Roth" will not work - some or most will be taxable.

 

**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**
unicorn1988
Returning Member

how to report backdoor roth - step by step

Thank you macuser_22! Does that mean I don't need to enter the code G 1099Rs?

 

This explains most things, but I see rollover amount in my 5498 IRA Contribution form with exactly same amount of one of the code G 1099-Rs. And I do remember I called Fidelity to rollover my after tax 401k to roth IRA once. Why is this happening? Thanks again for your help.

dmertz
Level 15

how to report backdoor roth - step by step

Code G and code GB Forms 1099-R must be entered.

unicorn1988
Returning Member

how to report backdoor roth - step by step

My backdoor didn't work because my 401k wasn't maxed out... But I already rolled over the after-tax 401k to Roth IRA, will I pay tax or penalty by withdrawing the mistaken backdoor Roth IRA?  Since the backdoor Roth IRA didn't work, is it correct that my 1099Rs are shown in line 5 (Pensions and annuities) in 1040 instead of line 4? Thanks for your help!

how to report backdoor roth - step by step


@unicorn1988 wrote:

My backdoor didn't work because my 401k wasn't maxed out... But I already rolled over the after-tax 401k to Roth IRA, will I pay tax or penalty by withdrawing the mistaken backdoor Roth IRA?  Since the backdoor Roth IRA didn't work, is it correct that my 1099Rs are shown in line 5 (Pensions and annuities) in 1040 instead of line 4? Thanks for your help!


Your 401(k) to Roth conversion  is shown on line 5.    That is separate from any Traditional IRA to Roth conversation.  That has nothing to do with a backdoor Roth.

**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**
unicorn1988
Returning Member

how to report backdoor roth - step by step

Sorry I meant Mega Backdoor, I didn't max out pre-tax 401k but did after-tax 401k rollover to Roth IRA once. The amount is shown on my Form 5498 as rollover and Form 1099R (code G). Should this amount show in line4 or line5 in form 1040? Can I leave the money in Roth IRA or do I have to withdraw it since my pre-tax 401k wasn't maxed? Do I pay tax or penalty for withdrawal? Thank you for your help!!

how to report backdoor roth - step by step

A 401(k)code G goes on line 5.   The taxable amount if any would be in box 2a and your after-tax contributions should be in box 5.   That will have no affect on any existing Roth IRA other then moving the new money to it.

 

**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**
AnnRails
Returning Member

how to report backdoor roth - step by step

I follow these steps as directed and am still paying tax on the 7,000 backdoor Roth contribution.  How do I resolve this?

how to report backdoor roth - step by step


@AnnRails wrote:

I follow these steps as directed and am still paying tax on the 7,000 backdoor Roth contribution.  How do I resolve this?


You missed something.   The 8606 must have your 2020 contribution on line 1 and any prior year contribution on line 2 and the total on line 3 which should be equal to the conversion amount.  But the year end value of all Traditional IRA account must be zero, otherwise there will be tax.

 

The "Backdoor Roth" does not exist in tax law. It is a procedure used by some to take advantage of a quirk in tax law that allows making a non-deductible contribution to a Traditional IRA when one cannot contribute to a Roth IRA, and the immediately converting the Traditional IRA to a Roth IRA, thereby getting the money into the Roth via "backdoor" tax free.

That "procedure" can only work of all these requirements are met:
1) No Traditional IRA account whatsoever can exist (that includes any SEP or SIMPLE IRA accounts) at the start. If existing IRA's contain any before-tax money or earnings then it will be partly taxable.
2) The Tradition IRA contributions must be reported on a 8606 form as non-deductible.
3) The conversion to a ROTH must be shortly after the contribution to avoid taxable gains.
4) The entire Traditional IRA value must be zero that the end of the year of conversion.

Otherwise the conversion will be partly taxable.

First you must enter your Traditional IRA contributions (if there were 2020 contributions).

IRA contribution
Federal Taxes,
Deductions & Credits,
I’ll choose what I work on (if that screen comes up),,
Retirement & Investments,
Traditional & Roth IRA contribution.

Be SURE to answer the follow up that the are choosing to make this contribution NON-DEDUCTIBLE - if that screen comes up. (DO NOT say that you moved (recharacterized) the money to a Roth) – this is a conversion, not a recharactorazition.

Then enter the 1099-R that shows the distribution.

Federal Taxes,
Wages & Income
I’ll choose what I work on (if that screen comes up),,
Retirement Plans & Social Security,
IRA, 401(k), Pension Plan Withdrawals (1099-R).

Answer the follow-up questions answer the question that you moved the money to another retirement. The screen will open up with choices of where it was moved. Choose you converted it to Roth IRA.

When asked if you have made any non-deductible contributions say " "yes" if you did then enter the non-deductible contributions made for tax years before 2020.     (Usually zero unless you also made a 2019 or earlier non-deductible contribution. If you do have prior year basis then enter the last filed 8606 line 14 value.).

Enter the 2020 year end value of your Traditional IRA a "0" (zero) - if it is in fact zero - this tax free Roth conversion will not work if it is not zero.

[If you had any other Traditional IRA at the end of 2020, then the nondeductible "basis" must be pro-rated over the current distribution and the total IRA value and only a portion of the Roth conversion will be non taxable and part will be taxable, with the remaining non-deductible basis carrying forward for future distributions. You can never only withdrew the nondeductible basis as long as the IRA exists and has a value more than zero.]

The non-deductible amount of your contribution will be subtracted from the taxable amount of the conversion on then 8606 form and enter on line 4a of them 1040 form and a zero taxable amount on line 4b if you did it right.

Also see this TurboTax FAQ:
https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/4350747-how-do-i-enter-a-backdoor-roth-ira-conversion


**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**
AnnRails
Returning Member

how to report backdoor roth - step by step

Thank you!  This is what I was missing...now to remember for next year...this is the 5th year I've done the backdoor Roth.  

 

"Be SURE to answer the follow up that the are choosing to make this contribution NON-DEDUCTIBLE - if that screen comes up. (DO NOT say that you moved (recharacterized) the money to a Roth) – this is a conversion, not a recharactorazition."

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