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dmertz
Level 15

Early Withdrawal from Roth IRA Older than 5 Years Including First-Time Home Exemption

This bug was introduced with the initial release of 2020 TurboTax.  It appears that the only way around this  bug with TurboTax is to use the CD/download version of TurboTax and override line 20 of Form 8606 so that you can enter the $10,000 directly on line 20.  With the override, you have to print and mail your tax return.

Early Withdrawal from Roth IRA Older than 5 Years Including First-Time Home Exemption

I got in touch with the "VP of Product" who claimed there is no bug and things are being calculated correctly. Really disappointing, but this does not look like it'll get fixed.

 

Big warning to anyone who bought a home using their Roth IRA distribution: DO NOT use TurboTax!

dmertz
Level 15

Early Withdrawal from Roth IRA Older than 5 Years Including First-Time Home Exemption

Further investigation has shown that this bug is only present in the CD/download version of TurboTax.  The online version of TurboTax handles this properly.  I believe that one of the TurboTax Employee Tax Experts is reporting this problem to TurboTax Product Quality.

Early Withdrawal from Roth IRA Older than 5 Years Including First-Time Home Exemption

It's so sad how easy it is to replicate this bug and yet it's still not solved even in the latest update.

 

Screen Shot 2022-02-20 at 10.59.42 AM.png

 

It's clear something is wrong with this text field. Press the enter key after you input the amount and it disappears. Everywhere else in Turbotax, pressing enter after typing in the amount formats it to $xxxx.xx.


Clearly there is an issue with this input field so it's not storing to the database.

Early Withdrawal from Roth IRA Older than 5 Years Including First-Time Home Exemption

The CD/Download version still doesn't account for this properly. The online version does.

 

I'll work on getting a refund for the CD/Download version.

Early Withdrawal from Roth IRA Older than 5 Years Including First-Time Home Exemption

Is anyone having any luck getting this resolved?   

 

I can confirm that that values are not being saved if you press enter.  This happens on other questions as well.

 

I just spent time with a Turbotax rep who insisted that on the question that was shown in the screen shot above (how much of the withdrawl was used to purchase a home), that I can only enter $10,000 and no more and that is why it doesn't work.  My frustration got the better of me and I ended the call.

 

This seems to be common error, well documented here by multiple users, and was supposedly reported.   I keep hoping it gets corrected with an update, but running out of time.   Grrrr.

 

 

Early Withdrawal from Roth IRA Older than 5 Years Including First-Time Home Exemption

The resolution is to use the online version and get a refund for the desktop version. The desktop version has many errors that caused my taxes to be off by $5K and my partner's taxes by $3K.

Early Withdrawal from Roth IRA Older than 5 Years Including First-Time Home Exemption

My desktop version was free from Fidelity.  I guess you get what you pay for.

 

Could have gotten the online version but I do my kids taxes too and online only gives you one return.  

 

Really don't want to go through all the data entry again.  Or use the override and file by mail.  I don't think I am being unreasonable in expecting Turbo Tax to correct the error in the desktop version.

 

This makes me question the accuracy of the other calculations as well, so I may go back to using Tax Act after this year.

Early Withdrawal from Roth IRA Older than 5 Years Including First-Time Home Exemption

Definitely not an unreasonable request. But I even was able to get in contact with the Head of Product at TurboTax and he said I was wrong. 

 

So good luck making any headway with this.

Early Withdrawal from Roth IRA Older than 5 Years Including First-Time Home Exemption

I had another call yesterday with the support folks to discuss the problem with the Windows download version.  My call got bumped up the ladder and was more productive than my first attempt.  The most obvious problem was on the question where they ask if any of the Roth IRA distribution was used for a first time home purchase, and if yes, how much was used for that purpose.

My answers to these questions were not being saved.  The support people were able to view my screen and see that the dollar entry was wiped out whenever I pressed enter.  Saving the return before pressing enter or moving to the NEXT screen did not solve the problem.  I also realized that there was no note about limiting the amount to be entered to $10,000, although that wording does appear on the online version.

The amount to be entered on the step by step screen asking if proceeds were used to purchase a first home was supposed to be transferred to Form 1099-R, immediately below the regular data reported by the payer.   We went to that Form to see if we could enter the dollar amount there.  The same problem occurred with that field; if you enter a number it disappears as soon as you press enter. 

I also noticed that there was a check box just above the space for the dollar amount,  to indicate if the distribution was a "qualified distribution".   The IRS instructions specify that a distribution made after the 5-year period which meets the requirements under the First Time Homebuyers exception is a Qualified Distribution.  In my case, the box was not checked, even though I had entered the date a Roth IRA was established and had answered yes to the question on the step by step asking if proceeds were for a first time home purchase.  

I checked that box, and to my surprise, the tax due amount was reduced to properly reflect the tax free status of the Roth IRA distribution.  This occurred even though the dollar amount on the line below was still blank!  We then ran the edit checks to see if manually adding the check in the box indicating a Qualified Distribution would flag the manual entry as an "override" which prevents the electronic filing.  The override error did not occur.

I have not done the electronic filing yet, but it appears this solves my problem. If you take a Roth distribution where only a portion of it was used for the first time home purchase, I think it would give the entire distribution favorable treatment (up to the $10,000 maximum on investment earnings), so it may not give the correct result in every case.  But it worked for me!

The support folks agreed that the program contained an error and needed to be fixed.  I have no idea if/when the fix will be made.  But hope this helps others get around the problem.

 

Edited to add:  Yes, Dmertz is correct about Form 8606 being missing from the filing.  I suspected that, but if TurboTax does not correct this problem by the filing date, I will file it anyway.  And then respond to the IRS if/when they come knocking.  There is no question this is a TurboTax error, and the support person I spoke with agreed it needed to be fixed.  Still hopeful they will do it quickly, but my backup plan is to file electronically.  I just don't trust the USPS anymore.

 

 

dmertz
Level 15

Early Withdrawal from Roth IRA Older than 5 Years Including First-Time Home Exemption

Marking the box to indicate a qualified distribution will in some cases produce the correct taxable result, but it will not produce a correct Form 8606.  Making that box will cause TurboTax to omit Form 8606 Part III entirely, likely resulting in a letter from the IRS indicating underreporting of income.  Overriding Form 8606 line 20 is the only way to get a correct Form 8606.

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