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The loss from my rental properties do not show up as a loss under my wages/income. why is this?

the loss from my rental properties do not show up as a loss under my wages/income. why is this? I do not understand if it's because of the 'at risk' investment limitation. If so, please explain how this limitation applies to me
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MichaelDC
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The loss from my rental properties do not show up as a loss under my wages/income. why is this?

This is a very, very common situation. More than likely the At-Risk Rules don't apply to you, however they are defined below. While not knowing your situation, it's usually a problem of "making too much money". If the explanation below doesn't apply, post some more details in the comment section.

As a general rule, rental properties are, by definition, passive activities and are subject to the passive activity loss rules. These rules are quite complex. In general, the passive activity rules limit your ability to offset other types of income with net passive losses.

But the good news is there is an exception: If you actively participate in a rental real estate activity, you can deduct up to $25,000 of your rental loss even though it’s passive. To actively participate means that you own at least 10% of the property, and you make major management decisions, such as approving new tenants, setting rental terms, approving improvements and so forth.

But this exception phases out as your income rises . If you have modified Adjusted Gross Income over $100,000, the $25,000 rental real estate exception decreases by $0.50 for every dollar over $100,000. The exception is completely phased out when your modified adjusted gross income reaches $150,000.

Example:

Phil and Mary have modified Adjusted Gross Income of $90,000 and a rental loss for the year of $21,000. They actively participated in the rental. Since their modified Adjusted Gross Income is below the  $100,000 phase-out threshold, their entire rental loss is deductible even though it is a passive loss. If their loss had risen to $28,000, they would have been limited to a deductible loss of $25,000 for the  year—the nondeductible balance of $3,000 is  a passive loss that is carried over to future years until the passive loss tax rules allow it to be deducted.

If your income is above $150,000, any disallowed rental loss is carried forward to the next year along with all previous years' disallowed losses. Those can be applied to any subsequent passive income from that rental and are completely released for deduction upon sale of the property.

Some other things to check, some of which have been mentioned already:

1.Check your asset entry for correct place in service date and adjusted cost basis entry [separate land is not depreciated]

2.Passive losses are generally deductible only to the extent of passive income.

3.If you used a dwelling unit for personal purposes, it may be considered a “dwelling unit used as a home.” If it is, you cannot deduct rental expenses that are more than your rental income for the unit.[Personal use takes precedence]

4. If you had a net loss from renting the dwelling unit for the year, your deduction for certain rental expenses is limited. Home mortgage interest, taxes, advertising, insurance premium and other operating expenses are taken next.

Deductions that reduce the basis of property, such as depreciation and amortization, are taken last, but only to the extent gross income for the activity is more than the deductions taken in the first categories.

5.If your MAGI is over $100,000, your maximum loss available decreases by $.50 for every dollar over $100,000).  The maximum loss is completely phased out at $150,000.

6.If you are NOT subject to income limitations and you do not have "active participation" then you are not allowed the loss. 

At-Risk Rules

You may be subject to the at-risk rules if you have:

  • A loss from an activity carried on as a trade or business or for the production of income, and

  • Amounts invested in the activity for which you are not fully at risk.

Losses from holding real property (other than mineral property) placed in service before 1987 are not subject to the at-risk rules.

In most cases, any loss from an activity subject to the at-risk rules is allowed only to the extent of the total amount you have at risk in the activity at the end of the tax year. You are considered at risk in an activity to the extent of cash and the adjusted basis of other property you contributed to the activity and certain amounts borrowed for use in the activity. Any loss that is disallowed because of the at-risk limits is treated as a deduction from the same activity in the next tax year. See Publication 925 for a discussion of the at-risk rules.

http://www.irs.gov/publications/p527/ch03.html#en_US_2014_publink1000219121 

A PAL occurs when total losses (including prior year unallowed losses) from all your passive activities exceed the total income from all your passive activities. 

http://www.irs.gov/instructions/i8582/ch01.html








The loss from my rental properties do not show up as a loss under my wages/income. why is this?

@MichaelDC  I am having this same issue for 2020. I placed my home in rental status in March 2020 as an active participant. I was living in it for the first two months. From what I'm reading below, because I lived in it for two months, I cannot lose more than the rent I collected. Is this what that means? My income is below 100k. If this is the case, is it even worth adding in my depreciation? I do plan to sell the house this year, in 2021.

MarilynG1
Employee Tax Expert

The loss from my rental properties do not show up as a loss under my wages/income. why is this?

@soapninja  Yes, you can claim your Rental Losses from when you started renting in March 2020, as long as you are an 'Active Participant' and your income does not exceed the limitations.

 

Even if it does, your passive Rental Losses can be carried over to following years until you are able to use them, and definitely can be used when you sell the property, if you were not able to claim them previously.

 

So you want to claim all the expenses and depreciation you are entitled to.  Go through the Rental Property Info section carefully when you are setting up your rental. 

 

Click this link for helpful info on Entering Rental Income and Expenses.

 

You may also find it helpful to read How to Enter Sale of Rental Property

 

 

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The loss from my rental properties do not show up as a loss under my wages/income. why is this?

@MarilynG1 I've added all of my expenses/depreciation, etc., and the amounts are being adjusted by TurboTax so that I am showing no loss, just $0.00. If I understand correctly, the "rest of the losses" from 2020 will be carried over into next year's tax return or when I sell the property? 

MarilynG1
Employee Tax Expert

The loss from my rental properties do not show up as a loss under my wages/income. why is this?

Yes, that is correct. Your unallowed Rental Loss will carry over each year until you can use it or sell the property. 

 

If your Rental Property shows a loss on Schedule E, Line 25 and you are not being allowed to take it, make sure it shows as a Carryover Loss in the 'Carryforward to 2021 Smart Worksheetsection near the bottom of the Schedule E Worksheet

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The loss from my rental properties do not show up as a loss under my wages/income. why is this?

Your problem probably lies in the fact that you accidentally put this in as a vacation rental where the losses are not allowed. Once you converted your personal residence to a rental property you no longer use the property for personal reasons. go back to where it asks how many personal days you use the rental property Superior the number should be zero because you did not live in the house once it became a rental. Read that screen carefully for the instructions. Fixing this should release the loss.

The loss from my rental properties do not show up as a loss under my wages/income. why is this?

@Critter-3 I think this is what I'm looking for. I also see in one of the help boxes:

* days you used the dwelling as your main home before (or after) renting it, if:
  1) the unit was rented 12 months or more or will be.

The house is rented for 12 months, which means it is not a vacation home. Thanks for the help, everyone!

The loss from my rental properties do not show up as a loss under my wages/income. why is this?

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