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madisan2
Returning Member

other education expenses

I am entering this for 2 kids.  Both had 529 money and I entered the 1099Q for both.  However, I am only getting the extra 4 boxes under other education expenses for one of them. anyone know why?

 

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SharonD007
Employee Tax Expert

other education expenses

You only need to enter the 1099-Q distributions if the distributions exceed your dependents' qualifying educational expenses. Are the 1099-Q's in your name or your dependent's names? Depending upon whose names the 1099-Qs are in, depends on whose tax returns they go on. Please clarify and give us additional information.

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madisan2
Returning Member

other education expenses

Your reply was not helpful.  I have two kids and the 1099q is set up the same for both.  I get the money for them.  but for one the software allowed me to enter the room and board but for the other it did not.  It worked fine for me for both kids last year.  

madisan2
Returning Member

other education expenses

I played around with it and it seems it is because he made too much money to be a dependent.  He graduated in June and started working right away, so of course he's making more than enough to be a dependent.  I guess we'll run his taxes and see who gets the best break.

KrisD15
Expert Alumni

other education expenses

Since the student will be filing as a non-dependent, just a reminder that the times you took the American Opportunity Tax Credit for that student count as times the student used the credit. That credit can only be used four times per student,

 

Also, to continue the thought started by @SharonD007, it's always a good idea to make the distributions in the name of the student to avoid confusion when entering a 1099-Q into TurboTax. The 1099-Q will list the student's Social Security number and will therefore follow the student. When the student becomes a non-dependent, the IRS will more easily match the distribution to the proper Taxpayer. 

Distributions can be made directly to the school which is easy and results in the 1099-Q being issued to the student.

Distributions can be made to the school, but later allocated to Room and Board or other education expenses if applying for a credit.

 

IRS Pub 970

 

 

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madisan2
Returning Member

other education expenses

We didn't get the tax credits so no worries there.  We'll just keep the tuition receipts and copies of his rent checks in case the IRS has questions.  Will try to change my younger child's 529 so the 1099q has her name.  Seems there was a problem with doing it that way.  Don't think I can have the money sent to school if they live off campus.

madisan2
Returning Member

other education expenses

Oh and yes his room and board is less then what the school says they should need.  So basically it 0's out.

Hal_Al
Level 15

other education expenses

Go through the entire education interview until you reach a screen titled "Your Education Expenses Summary".  Click edit next to the student's name. That should take you to a screen “Here’s your Education Summary”. Click edit next to the section you want to edit.  To get to the room and board entry place, click edit at "other education expenses". You will not get the place to enter Room and board if you didn't previously enter the 1099-Q.

Hal_Al
Level 15

other education expenses

Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The American Opportunity Credit (AOC or AOTC) is 100% of the first $2000 of tuition and 25% of the next $2000 ($2500 maximum credit). The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit regardless of whose money was used to pay the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board which is only qualified for the 1099-Q)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

There is  $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. A student, with no other income, can have up to $13,850 of taxable scholarship (in 2023) and still pay no income tax. 

madisan2
Returning Member

other education expenses

The interesting thing about all of this information is that it doesn't say your child can make too much money for you to claim him as a dependent.  If that happens, the parent cannot report the room and board expenses from the 1099q.  The student has to. That really is only our situation because he had only one semester of school left in 2023 and then started working full time.

Hal_Al
Level 15

other education expenses

Q. The interesting thing about all of this information is that it doesn't say your child can make too much money for you to claim him as a dependent.  If that happens, the parent cannot report the room and board expenses from the 1099q.  The student has to.

A. No, that's not the case.  For claiming a tuition credit, it does matter if the student is your dependent or not.  But that does not matter for the 1099-Q.  Whoever is the recipient of the 1099-Q claims the room and board expenses, regardless of the student's dependent status. You file the 1099-Q, because you are the owner of the plan and you received the 1099-Q. 

 

Q.  Your child can make too much money for you to claim him as a dependent. 

A. Yes but not exactly. 

There are two types of dependents, "Qualifying Children"(QC) and Other ("Qualifying Relative" in IRS parlance even though they don't have to actually be related). There is no income limit for a QC but there is an age limit, student status, a relationship test and residence test.

A child of a taxpayer can still be a “Qualifying Child” (QC) dependent, regardless of his/her income, if:

  1. He is under age 19, or under 24 if a full time student for at least 5 months of the year, or is totally & permanently disabled
  2. He did not provide more than 1/2 his own support. Scholarships are excluded from the support calculation
  3. He lived with the parent (including temporary absences such as away at school) for more than half the year

 

So, it doesn't matter how much he earned. What matters is how much he spent on support. Money he put into savings does not count as support he spent on himself.

The support value of the home, provided by the parent, is the fair market rental value of the home plus utilities & other expenses divided by the number of occupants.

The IRS has a worksheet that can be used to help with the support calculation. See: http://apps.irs.gov/app/vita/content/globalmedia/teacher/worksheet_for_determining_support_4012.pdf

 

Q.  Will try to change my younger child's 529 so the 1099q has her name. 

A. They won't do that. Once the money is sent, the "recipient" is established.  But it doesn't matter. 

 

Q. Seems there was a problem with doing it that way.  Don't think I can have the money sent to school if they live off campus.

A. No. That's not so. You (the owner) decides who you want  money sent to, you, the school, or the student.

Hal_Al
Level 15

other education expenses

You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip! 

References:

  1. On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 
  2. IRS Pub 970 states: “Generally, distributions are tax free if they aren't more than the beneficiary's AQEE for the year. Don't report tax-free distributions (including qualifying rollovers) on your tax return”.
madisan2
Returning Member

other education expenses

He's 25 and he likely paid more than 1/2 his support if tuition is subtracted off of the 1099Q, maybe if it's included even.  We were going to work together on his taxes.

Hal_Al
Level 15

other education expenses

If he's 25 (over 23), than he cannot be a "Qualifying Child" dependent.  There is an income test to be a Qualifying Relative (a mere $4700). So, you are correct, he cannot be  a dependent for 2023. 

madisan2
Returning Member

other education expenses

Yes we will do calculations and likely not report.  Will just do a sanity check

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