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jordi9909
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Why is my 2017 Tax Return Schedule E Depreciation in 18a blank when I reported amounts?

 
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Why is my 2017 Tax Return Schedule E Depreciation in 18a blank when I reported amounts?

Did you report any personal days (look at Line 2)?

If so, was it converted from 100% personal to 100% rental?  Or was it a back-and-forth between rental and personal use?
jordi9909
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Why is my 2017 Tax Return Schedule E Depreciation in 18a blank when I reported amounts?

Thanks for the information. Are you referring to Line 2 of my schedule E Form 1040 or my Schedule E Worksheet? It was 100% rental no personal use, if that helps.

Why is my 2017 Tax Return Schedule E Depreciation in 18a blank when I reported amounts?

I was referring to Line 2 of the actual Schedule E, which shows the number of rental days and personal days.  So it shows zero personal days?

Hmmm, if it was 100% rental, are you SURE you added the "assets" for depreciation?  It seems like you are looking at the worksheets, so do you see see the Asset Entry Worksheets?  Do you have a "Depreciation and Amortization" report (the sideways looking worksheet)?  Were the assets "placed in service" in 2017?  If so, do you have a Form 4562?
Carl
Level 15

Why is my 2017 Tax Return Schedule E Depreciation in 18a blank when I reported amounts?

This most commonly happens in the tax year the property is converted from personal use to rental property, or vice-versa. It happens because the incorrect number of personal use days is entered. It's important to read the small print on the screen asking for business use and personal use days.

If you converted from personal use to rental use, then it's asking for the number of days of personal use *AFTER* you converted it to a rental. It is extremely rare for that number to be more than zero.

If you converted from rental use to personal use, then it's asking for the number of days of personal use *BEFORE* you converted it to personal use. Again, it is extremely rare for that number to be more than zero.

Additionally, if the personal use days is zero, then the business use percentage *must* be 100%. Basically, for the period of time it was classified as residential rental property, it was 100% business use. What it's use was while not classified as rental property is irrelevant.

In case it helps, I've included additional clarifications below.

          • Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.

Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence before, then this date is the day AFTER  you moved out.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter "could" have moved in. That should be your "in service" date if you were asked for that. Vacant periods between renters count also PROVIDED you did not live in the house for one single day during said period of vacancy.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence or 2nd home, after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.

    • RENTAL POPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED

Property Improvement.

Property improvements are expenses you incur that add value to the property. Expenses for this are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.

To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria must be met:

1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.

2) The improvement must add "real" value to the property. In other words, when  the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.

Cleaning & Maintenance

Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and it's assets in the useable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.

Repair

Those expenses incurred to return the property or it's assets to the same useable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.

Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.

However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a  2 bedroom house into a 3 bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.

 

Reporting the Sale of Rental Property

If you qualify for the "lived in 2 of last 5 years" capital gains exclusion, then when prompted you WILL indicate that this sale DOES INCLUDE the sale of your main home. For AD MIL personnel who don't qualify because of PCS orders, select this option anyway, because you "MIGHT" qualify for at last a partial exclusion.

Start working through Rental & Royalty Income (SCH E) "AS IF" you did not sell the property. One of the screens near the start will ahve a selection on it for "I sold or otherwise disposed of this property in  2017". Select it. After you select the "I sold or otherwise disposed of this property in 2017" you continue working it through "as if" you still own it. When you come to the summary screen you will enter all of your rental income and expenses, even it it's zero. Then you MUST work through the "Sale of Assets/Depreciation" section. You must work through each individual asset one at a time to report its disposition (in your case, all your rental assets were sold).

Understand that if more than the property itself is listed in your assets list, then you need to allocate your sales price across all of your assets.  You will only allocate the structure sales price; you will NOT allocate the land sales price, since the land is not a depreciable asset.  Then if you sold this rental at a gain, you must show a gain on all assets, even if that gain is $1. Likewise if you sold at a loss then you must show a loss on all assets, even if that loss is $1

Basically when working through an asset you select the option for "I stopped using this asset in 2017" and go from there. Note that you MUST do this for EACH AND EVERY asset listed.

When you finish working through everything listed in the assets section, if you ever at any time you owned this rental you claimed vehicle expenses, then you must also work through the vehicle section and show the disposition of the vehicle. Most likely, your vehicle disposition will be "removed for personal use", as I seriously doubt you sold your vehicle as a part of this rental sale.


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