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Level 2
February 17, 2022
Question

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

  • February 17, 2022
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The approved Form 2210 showed up in my update today but there is an error in the form.

 

What I am experiencing while selecting Option C and option D,  in Part II of Form 2210, Part III Line 10a (required installments 1st QTR) is not pulling the value from Form 2210AI line 27a as it should.   It actually appears to be pulling the number from Form 2210AI Line 21B ( amount of tax due through 5/31) which results in a penalty being due even though the "go to supporting form" click does go to the proper form and cell.   Its just not taking that number.   

 

I have fully deleted the forms 2210, 2210AI and 2010 Penalty in an attempt to correct the problem.  Anyone have any ideas? 

    18 replies

    Level 2
    February 20, 2022

    Confirming, I get same error in TurboTax (Premier 2021 PC version) Form 2210, Part III, line 10, column A: required quarterly installment payment is twice what it should be.  Probably left over from Tax Year 2020 when the first 2 quarters were rolled together by IRS.  Hope this gets fixed in next TurboTax update.

    Level 2
    February 21, 2022

    I think this explains exactly where the bug is!! Developers at Intuit should certainly leverage this info for their debug 

    Level 3
    February 21, 2022

    As of Feb 21 I suggest you DO NOT USE TURBOTAX for FORM 2210. I have so far found 5 errors in the TurboTax calculation:

     

    1. When using the annualized installment method, line 10 column (a) in part 3 of form 2210 is supposed to be equal to schedule AI line 27 column (a). Instead, it is equal to line 27 column (a) + line 27 column (b).

     

    2. The tax computations on schedule AI, line 14 column (a), (b), and (c) are incorrect.

     

    3. Self-employment tax on line 15 of schedule AI is incorrectly also included in line 16, resulting in a double-counting of self-employment tax and a line 17 column (d) total tax that incorrectly exceeds the total tax shown on form 1040 line 24.

     

    4. 2020 refunds applied to 2021 are supposed to count as a tax payment starting in the first quarter of 2021. Instead, 2020 refunds applied to 2021 are incorrectly ignored on form 2021.

     

    5. Line 7 schedule AI incorrectly excludes amounts on line 12(b) of form 1040.

    Level 3
    February 21, 2022

    @kevinandlori this looks like the most comprehensive summary of the problems that I have seen so far.

    Level 2
    February 21, 2022

    I am also seeing the incorrect transcription of data from Sched AI line 27 to form 2210, line 10.  It is taking data from the 2nd period and putting into the 1st period's required installment, thus making it look like a gross underpayment.  Hope it gets resolved soon.

    Level 2
    February 21, 2022

    Looking further - I see that the Schedule AI line 7 is not including the amount from line 12b on form 1040 - that 12b is the amount of cash charitable deductions (max $600 for married, filing jointly), so it is only getting the standard deduction amount - NOT Std deduct + Charitable contribution, which would make you have a lower annualized income and therefore less tax to pay.

     

    When I looked back at my 2020 version of form 2210, it too also seemed to be incorrect in a few places.

    Level 2
    March 4, 2022

    I too see this error where the charitable amount on line 12b is not included in line 7 on 2210AI.  I can't seem to force it.  Line 2210AI 13d does not match line 15 on the 1040.  However the tax on 1040 line 16 and  2210AI line 14d do match.   But the mounts on 2210 AI line 13 a,b,c are wrong and one would assume the tax calculations on line 14 a, b, c are also wrong and therefore the amount of tax needed to be paid on 2210AI line 21 a,b,c are also wrong.

     

    TurboTax when can you fix this?

    Level 2
    February 22, 2022

    Hit same problem late last week. Looking forward to getting an update with the fix.

    Level 2
    February 22, 2022

    I am still waiting for a resolution. Good luck.

    Level 2
    February 23, 2022

    I am getting this same error where the amount in Form 2201 line 10a incorrectly is calculated as the sum of what should be in line 10a plus the amount in line 10b.  Also, Form 2210 Schedule AI line 7 fails to include in all columns the amount from Form 1040 line 12b. 

    Level 3
    February 24, 2022

    This is screwed up.  I filed my taxes with this error, and it calculated a $10 penalty.  Then an update came out 2 days later and it cleared the penalty.  When I compared the filed with the updated 2210 I saw the error in transfer.  TT should have immediately pulled the form before anyone had a chance to file.  Seems its fixed now but I already filed.  Maybe the IRS will find it and disregard the penalty.

    Level 3
    March 12, 2022

    Bits and pieces of my thought process:

    I file a 1041 using Turbo Tax Business and it appears that capital gains are not annualized in that 2210 calculation either. At least TT is  consistently wrong. I had no penalty and filed with the wrong numbers on 2210AI. My rational is that if the scaled capital gains were entered my overpayment would have been higher and IRS is not going to chase me for no monetary gain on their part.

     

    I said I was going to use some other software next year. While I was waiting for a TT fix, I shopped for some other software. I went to the large online merchant's site and read reviews. One package that I was interested in (I need 1040 and 1041) had reviews that said they nickeled and dimed you to death - you  want a printed return that cost more. Stopped looking at that package. Bought a package that would do my 1041 and 1040 in the same purchase. I installed, and entered my 1040 information. This package didn't even ask about capital gains and qualified dividends for the 2210AI, didn't have the expected taxable portion of the IRA withdrawal, and didn't handle 199A deduction coming from my K-1 (said I needed professional help). Lesson learned - I will not switch. TT in spite of its problems is the most complete and helpful package for me and others with complex taxes (IMHO).

     

    I finally got impatient and filed my 1040 return. With the capital gains not annualized I didn't owe a penalty and felt safe filing with a slightly higher quarterly tax calculation on the 2210AI.

     

    Work arounds: Had I owed a penalty, I would have used some of the work arounds suggested in this forum. I could have included capital gains in the qualified dividends number which is scaled. Or better yet scaled the capital gains before I entered them in the turbo tax interview boxes. Multiplied first quarter capital gains by 4 (or 6 for the 2210AI of the 1041), etc. 

     

    Hopefully this time next year TT will have fixed these problems.

     

     

     

    Level 6
    March 24, 2022

    Has anyone determined if Turbotax is calculating the penalty when it should?  From all appearances, I do owe a penalty (underpaid for first two quarters) yet it shows zero for the penalty.  Specifically, Line 17 of Form 2210 shows amounts for col a) and col b), underpayment for 4/15 and 6/15, but Line 19 Penalty shows zero.  I did a Quick Zoom to see the worksheet for Line 19, and it does show the underpayment amounts on the worksheet but Days Late, Rate Period, Interest Rate and Penalty fields are blank, so it apparently didn't do the calculation.

     

    Second question, if I eFile as is (zero penalty erroneously calculated), will the return be flagged immediately by the IRS, and give me an opportunity to correct?  If not, and it's caught further down the line, will I owe more interest and penalty? 

    Level 3
    March 24, 2022

    Your question is pretty difficult to answer in the general sense.  As of today, I observe that Turbotax has now correctly included the 1040 line 12(b) amounts in form 2210 line 7; the original problem with the overstatement of 1Q annualized income was fixed some time ago.  2020 refunds applied to 2021 are still not included in line 11, and I believe the form 2210AI line 14 tax computation to still be incorrect.  In my case I believe they are undercalculating my annualized tax obligation in columns (a), (b) and (c), but the resulting required installments are the same with or without the error.  I have filed with the errors and documented my calculations.  Your situation may be different.

    Level 6
    March 24, 2022

    @MJK6 wrote:  2020 refunds applied to 2021 are still not included in line 11

    Thanks, I went back and checked.  Yes, my refund applied to 2021 is not included in line 11.  So I am not given credit for it for 4/15/21.  If I had been, I would have no underpayment for that quarter or the next.  I am comfortable filing since zero penalty is in fact true.

     

    Do people ever override Turbo tax mistakes and type in their corrected entries in Forms mode?  Or does Turbotax not allow e-filing if that has been done?