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2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

I reported this error more than a week ago and have gotten no answer. So, thanks for what? Do your job Turbo Tax.

azca0612

 

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

Hit same problem late last week. Looking forward to getting an update with the fix.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

I am still waiting for a resolution. Good luck.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

This is an update to my post of Saturday, 19 Feb. 2022 re:

Form 2210, Part III, Line 11(a) calculation.

Based on personal experience with 2021 Form 2210, I believe TT's Line 11(a) calculation of first quarter estimated tax includes the amount of any 2020 tax overpayment applied to 2021, but  TT generally reduces the Line 11(a) amount by any tax paid AFTER APRIL 15, 2021 with the 2020 Form 4868 extension of time to file the 2020 return, which was due May 17, 2021.  [IMPORTANT Note: I indicated in the earlier post that I thought this was a TT programming error, but now I am reasonably certain that is not the case.]

 

TT assumes that tax paid with the extension was paid on May 17, 2021, unless the customer indicates on the applicable TT input sheet that it was paid on another date.  For example, if a 2020 tax overpayment of $500 was properly applied to 2021, and $300 was paid with a timely-filed 2020 Form 4868 after April 15, 2021, TT is reducing the $500 first quarter estimated payment included on Line 11(a) by the $300 extension payment, unless the customer indicates on the appropriate input sheet that the Form 4868 amount was paid on another date that is on or before April 15, 2021.  In the example above, TT is applying the $500 overpayment as a 2021 estimated payment as follows: Line 11(a) $200 that is treated as paid on April 15, 2021; Line 11(b) $300 that is treated as paid on May 17, 2021.

 

In the earlier post made last week, I did not realize that  TT is including the $300 Form 4868 tax payment in this example as a second quarter estimated payment on Line 11(b).  A careful reading of the 2021 Form 2210 Instructions for Line 11 provides ample support for TT's conclusion.  See second bullet in the penultimate paragraph of the guidance for Line 11 on page 5 of the Instructions, which states: "If an an overpayment is generated on your 2020 return from a payment made after April 15, 2021, treat the [2021 estimated tax] payment as made on the date of payment." Moreover. the IRS has consistently taken this position during 2021 and to date in 2022, most notably in an announcement made April 12, 2021.  Remember, IRS created this dilemma when in March 2021 it decided to postpone the 2020 tax return filing date to May 17, 2021, but did not likewise postpone the April 15, 2021 due date of the 2021 first quarter estimated tax payment. 

 

Thus,  I believe TT's programming logic is correct based on the IRS position as stated in the 2021 Form 2210  Instructions and in other recent guidance. Not every practitioner agrees with the IRS position. Some believe there is a plausible arguement that any available tax credit to 2021 from a 2020 overpayment attributable to a timely-filed 2020 Form 4868 extension should be treated as an estimated payment made on April 15, 2021, but given the IRS position and the relatively small amount of the penalty in most cases, it will usually not make economic sense to make the argument, given the advisability to consult a competent tax advisor along with related consultation costs, possible requirement to make written disclosure of taxpayer's position with the filing of the return, and the cost of defending the position if challenged by the IRS.  

 

Just to be clear, on my return, I checked Box D in Part II, electing to treat federal income tax withheld from 2021 income as paid on dates actually withheld for Form 2210 purposes, rather than spread the aggregate of 2021 withholding tax equally over the four 2021 estimated tax installment periods. While I did not elect to use the annualized income installment method (Part II, Box C), the Line 11(a) issue described above is applicable to any taxpayer who is required to file Form 2210 because it checked either Box C or D in Part II of the Form. 

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

This is my first year using Turbo Tax.  It knows nothing of my 2020 tax return.  Yet it still copies the sum of the values from Schedule AI  line 27 columns (a) and (b) and places it in line 10 (a) of Form 2210.  It correctly copies the remaining columns from line 27 to line 10.

holmanb
New Member

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

I am getting this same error where the amount in Form 2201 line 10a incorrectly is calculated as the sum of what should be in line 10a plus the amount in line 10b.  Also, Form 2210 Schedule AI line 7 fails to include in all columns the amount from Form 1040 line 12b. 

machwell
New Member

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

I have the same issue.  Clearly the coding is incorrect on the 2210 forms.  Silly problem that cannot be overridden manually.  Please get someone on the Intuit!!

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

@kevinandlori 

 

Please put your solution into a new post.  It will not be seen by the employees at Intuit who find posts with many pages of replies too tedious to go through.  In a new post it will be seen and acted upon.  

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

Kevinandlori - Another year with 2210 problems! I hit the same problems (February, 23, 2022) you explain except 3 and 4 because I don't have those cases. Penalty of $37 should mostly go away. Two years running of 2210 errors and late fixes, makes me think of alternatives to Turbo Tax for 2022.

MJK6
Level 3

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

@kevinandlori New release this morning 2/24/22.

 

Fixes item #1 [incorrect transfer of schedule AI line 27(a) to form 2210 line 10(a).]

 

Your items #2, 4, and 5 seem to still be incorrect, and I have no information on item #3 because it does not apply to my situation.

 

For me, good enough to file without penalty, although some of the numbers are still wrong.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

> New release this morning 2/24/22.

> Fixes item #1 [incorrect transfer of schedule AI line 27(a) to form 2210 line 10(a).]

 

Good enough for me! Now I can file.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

This is screwed up.  I filed my taxes with this error, and it calculated a $10 penalty.  Then an update came out 2 days later and it cleared the penalty.  When I compared the filed with the updated 2210 I saw the error in transfer.  TT should have immediately pulled the form before anyone had a chance to file.  Seems its fixed now but I already filed.  Maybe the IRS will find it and disregard the penalty.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

@kevinandlori Yes just did a quick check 2/24/22 and item 1 is fixed.

 

They don't include the charitable deduction in the line 7 calculation. Pub 505 clearly shows "Standard Deduction ... plus up to $300 ...". TT prints our a form 2210 which doesn't have this wording and instead talks about line "12b from Form 1040" which should be the same thing.

 

Tax calculation doesn't match my spreadsheet by more than the tax on $300 of deduction. I need to review my capital gains tax calculation spread against the worksheet found in 505. Its complicated.

 

They also print a blank from 2210 page 3. That is a problem from Tax Year 2020. That is all the IRS needs is to have to scan another page. I wonder what a blank page does to their system. Does it over ride the numbers on the previous page? 

 

My penalty went away, but I will wait and see if there more fixes.

CM5555
New Member

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

Form 2210 Line 11 column (a) is failing to include our overpayment applied to 2021 (which the IRS considers as our Q1-2021 estimated tax payment) resulting in an error in the prepayment penalty (of which we should not have one after performing the correct calculations).

We completed Part II line D of Form 2210 to quarterize our tax withholding and Line 11 is correctly including these amounts and our Q2-Q4-2021 estimated tax payments, so Line 11 columns (b)-(d) are correct. So just Line 11 column (a) is the error in the Form for us.

When attempting a manual override, this creates an error which prevents filing with IRS.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

There is up to $600 of deduction (married filing jointly) that is not captured on line 7 of the Schedule AI worksheet that should be pulled from line 12b of form 1040 (or 1040-SR).  So the net income to be taxed is incorrect in all four columns at line 11 and beyond, when analyzing underpayment penalty.

 

Interestingly enough, in column d on the worksheet, my end of year income shown on line 13 differs by $600 from the amount on 1040 line 15, yet TT computes the same tax owed.  Obviously something else is wrong.  

 

At least the penalty part went away, but the form still has issues.

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