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Same problem here. I am using the online version, not the desktop app.
Following for an update/workaround so I can finish filing!
I am trying to investigate this possible issue. Please take a look at your entries in the Home Office section of your return and verify that you have entered a number on the screen titled Business conducted in home office. It is asking for the percentage of time you spend conducting business in your home office. If this field is left blank, then the program assumes that no business is conducted in the home office and the deduction is disallowed.
If you have verified that this value has been accurately entered and you are still seeing a problem with the negative gross income limitation, then please see the instructions below and submit a diagnostic copy of your tax return. The diagnostic file will not contain personally identifiable information, only numbers related to your tax forms.
Thank you for your help in advance.
If you would like to provide us with the diagnostic file, follow the instructions below and post the token number along with which version of TurboTax you are using and what states you are filing in a follow-up thread.
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The title of that screen in Online is "What percentage of your work for Music performing was done at this home office?"
But yes, it is filled in properly and the problem persists.
Token# is 1269861
Thanks!
I am having the same issue.
If I opt for the actual expense calculation method I can get through it and get a deduction.
(Which by the way is really confusing when it comes to mortgage and taxes. I found I had to go ahead and enter in 1098 for mortgage before going through this or it had problems. And the wording is so confusing when it comes to what needs entering in the excess interest or real estate tax deductions.)
But if I select simple home office calculation, I get the message: The net profit for your work was zero or less, which means you can't claim any home office deductions.
This part need work for sure.
token #1269905
Turbo Tax Live Premium online
I found I could successfully go through the home office actual expense calculation but not the simplified calculation.
Update: In my case everything was working as it should. I just did not understand. The simplified method does not allow carry over which means it can't pass through as losses.
I'm having the same issue. The problem is that TurboTax appears to be on form 8829, line 8, Turbotax is incorrectly pulling from Schedule C, line 28, rather than line 29 as it should be. I used the send to agent feature in TT Desktop, token number 193514536484684-19499644.
Think I found a solution. In form 8829, page 2, in the line 8 calculation smart worksheet, line B, I entered 100% (this did not require an override).
Thank you for providing your token numbers. I was able to examine each return and the conclusion is that TurboTax is calculating the Simplified Home Office deduction correctly in each situation. Let me give you some information about how the Simplified Home Office deduction works, and then I will address each token file individually.
For any home office deduction (actual expenses or simplified), the home office deduction is not allowed to take a Schedule C bottom line from a positive profit to a loss. Therefore, before the home office deduction is calculated, the tentative profit or loss of the business is considered. If the number is a loss, then no simplified home office deduction is allowed. However, even with a loss, an actual expense home office deduction can be calculated and carried over to the next year. Carryover is only possible when using the actual expenses, not the simplified method.
The profit/loss number that is used to decide whether the home office expense is allowed comes from Schedule C line 7 minus Schedule C line 28. If the result is positive, then that is the first step to get the simplified home office deduction.
However, the Business Conducted in the Home Office comes into play too. If that number is not entered, then it is assumed to be zero. Zero times the income on Schedule C line 7 minus Schedule C line 28 gives a negative number, which means no home office deduction in the current year (carryover if using actual expense method).
If the Business Conducted in the Home Office percentage is any number less than 100%, then the amount on Schedule C line 7 is adjusted by that percentage before the expenses are subtracted. So even with what you expect to be a positive profit situation, the percentage of business conducted in the home office can drop the income to a level where the profit is negative instead of positive. This means that the simplified home office method is not allowed. Again, using the actual expense method can work, but the home office expense is carried over to a future year.
For each token file, there was a different situation giving you unexpected, but correct, results.
Token 1269905 -- using the simplified method is disallowed because the business is showing a loss. Actual office expenses method could be used and carried over.
Token 193514536484684-19499644 -- There was not a percent of business conducted in the home office entered into the return. After this number is entered, then you can choose the method that gives you the best result. You are most likely going to see a larger impact from the actual expense method instead of the simplified method.
Token 1269861 - This is a case of having a positive profit situation until the percent of business conducted in the home office is factored in. Reducing the income by the percent of business use made it a loss situation with respect to the home office. Therefore no home office expense is allowed with the simplified method, but the actual expense method could be entered and carried forward.
Hi @AnnetteB6 ,
Thank you for helping us look into this issue. And, thank you everyone for your replies.
I use TurboTax Premier and the Simplified Home Office Deduction Method. I have a profit as shown in Schedule C - Line 7 and Line 29. From 'Step by Step', it doesn't ask me % of time I spend conducting my business in home office. However, looking at @kleib323 post, I switched to 'Form', went to Form 8829, Part II, Line 8 Calculation Smart Worksheet, Line B which asks me to enter % of gross income on Line 7 from Schedule C that is from the business use of this home. I entered 100%, and this gives me the simplified home office deduction. @AnnetteB6 can you confirm this is the correct way?
Thank you!
Yes, that is the correct place to enter it.
However, it would be better to enter it through the step-by-step process. You can find the screen asking for that input in the Home Office expense section of your Schedule C. The title of the screen is Business conducted in home office. The wording may be a little different because it is asking for a percentage of time and therefore not seem like the place to enter that number. Ultimately though, the percentage of time is used to calculate the percentage of income.
I too am having this problem and look forward to a fix from an update! I am ready to file my taxes except for this issue!
There was an examination of multiple customer token files to determine whether further investigation by the development team was required. The conclusion is that TurboTax is calculating the Simplified Home Office deduction correctly in each situation that was examined. There is no further fix or update required.
Here are the details about how the Simplified Home Office deduction works, and what could be causing the situation in your return.
For any home office deduction (actual expenses or simplified), the home office deduction is not allowed to take a Schedule C bottom line from a positive profit to a loss. Therefore, before the home office deduction is calculated, the tentative profit or loss of the business is considered. If the number is a loss, then no simplified home office deduction is allowed. However, even with a loss, an actual expense home office deduction can be calculated and carried over to the next year. Carryover is only possible when using the actual expenses, not the simplified method.
The profit/loss number that is used to decide whether the home office expense is allowed comes from Schedule C line 7 minus Schedule C line 28. If the result is positive, then that is the first step to get the simplified home office deduction.
However, the Business Conducted in the Home Office comes into play too. If that number is not entered, then it is assumed to be zero. Zero times the income on Schedule C line 7 minus Schedule C line 28 gives a negative number, which means no home office deduction in the current year (carryover if using actual expense method).
If the Business Conducted in the Home Office percentage is any number less than 100%, then the amount on Schedule C line 7 is adjusted by that percentage before the expenses are subtracted. So even with what you expect to be a positive profit situation, the percentage of business conducted in the home office can drop the income to a level where the profit is negative instead of positive. This means that the simplified home office method is not allowed. Again, using the actual expense method can work, but the home office expense is carried over to a future year.
If you feel that none of these situations apply to your return, you can provide a diagnostic copy of your tax return so that it may be examined in greater detail. See the instructions below and post the token number along with which version of TurboTax you are using and what states you are filing in a follow-up thread.
Use these steps if you are using TurboTax Online:
If you are using a CD/downloaded version of TurboTax, use these steps:
I'm having the same issue.
1. On Simplified Method Smart Worksheet on Form 8829, Line A. is showing the Expense as a negative number pulled from Line 28 on Schedule C!
2. What it should be pulling is line 29, the Profit or Loss which is Line 7 minus Line 28. I have a Positive Profit, yes the simplified worksheet is pulling in a negative number.
3. I even reviewed with my Accountant and he told me about this. There is also no way to OverRide this in Turbo Tax that I can find.
Of note, my housing is 100%, so it would not be multiplying by 0 thus reducing my deduction.
I would like to take a deeper look at this. However, I need a diagnostic file which is a copy of your tax return that has all of your personal information removed. You can send one to us by following the directions below:
TurboTax Online:
TurboTax Desktop/Download Versions:
*(If using a MAC, go to the menu at the top of the screen, select Help, then, “Send Tax File to Agent”)
43117118531239798
I also opened a ticket with Turbo Tax [phone number removed] but it was closed and I got no response.
Can you see the number, it keeps saying it is a PHONE NUMBER and removing the number I input!
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