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How to manage an HSA for self-employed w high-deductible marketplace plan

[EDITED] @Opus 17 Thank you. You wrote "which may be split between an account in your name and an account in your spouses name".

There is only one HSA ACCOUNT, which is for the family and into which I contributed $8000. There was no suggestion from the insurer that we should have created two HSA accounts - I'm not sure that was even possible, given that there is only one family HDHP. Even if there were two accounts, the grand total contribution would have been $8000.

The interview for "Tell us about the health-related accounts" asks who had an HSA, to which I only checked off myself and not my spouse, since the 1099-SA (for the 2019 HSA distribution) from the insurer came to me in my name only, though it is for use by me and my spouse.

[EDITED] TurboTax says that I had an excess contribution of $4500 and that I checked off that I would withdraw that excess contribution by July 15. However, I used all but $0.98 of those funds to either pay medical bills directly or to pay myself for out of pocket medical bills.

[EDITED A SECOND TIME] If I change the response to "No we're not going to make this withdrawal" then our federal refund is INCREASED. 

[EDIT 3] And the INCREASED refund is exactly what the FILED tax return shows. So there is a glitch in that TurboTax changed the response to that question after filing.

How to manage an HSA for self-employed w high-deductible marketplace plan


@taxpayerpa wrote:

@ChampChiran I based my comments here on the PDF as filed and on a new PDF from a copy of the tax2019 file that shows the decreased HSA contribution


You said above that you filed with $8000 on the form 8889, and it changed when you reopened your return after filing.  Do you know what you really filed?  Did you save the PDF when you filed, not just the PDF now?

 

You may want to get your transcript from the IRS to verify what you actually filed.  It may take 8-12 weeks to be available online after filing your return.

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/get-transcript

 

The problem is, I can't really advise on next steps without knowing what you really filed.  You don't want to file an amended return if the original return was correct and the file changed later.  If you are due a refund, has it been paid yet?  Is it the amount you expected from deducting an $8000 HSA contribution or something else?

 

If your form 8889 changed from an $8000 deduction to a $3500 deduction, that really doesn't make any sense and should be impossible.  Whose name and SSN are on the top of the form 8889, you or your spouse?  If this is your form 8889 and you reported contributions of $8000, but your limit was changed to $3500, you would also have a form 5329 assessing a penalty for excess contributions.  

 

It is possible you logged into a different online account that has an earlier version of your information?  Or if you are using Turbotax installed on your own computer, is it possible you opened an earlier version of the file, not the one you actually filed?

 

On the other hand, it would be perfectly OK if you contributed $3500 into an HSA in your spouse's name and $4500 into your own.  Are there two form 8889s?

 

I'm sorry to doubt you but there are so many changes that would have to occur if your HDHP limit was changed that it's not really possible that the program had a glitch.

 

Here are some things to look for:

1. Whose name and SSN are on the HSA account and how much did you contribute?

2. Whose name is on form 8889?

3. Is the contribution correct on line 2? What is the contribution limit on line 3?  

4. What is the deduction on line 13?

5. What is shown on schedule 1, line 12?

6. Do you have a form 5329 assessing extra tax?

How to manage an HSA for self-employed w high-deductible marketplace plan


@taxpayerpa wrote:

[EDITED] @Opus 17 Thank you. You wrote "which may be split between an account in your name and an account in your spouses name".

There is only one HSA ACCOUNT, which is for the family and into which I contributed $8000. There was no suggestion from the insurer that we should have created two HSA accounts - I'm not sure that was even possible, given that there is only one family HDHP. Even if there were two accounts, the grand total contribution would have been $8000.

The interview for "Tell us about the health-related accounts" asks who had an HSA, to which I only checked off myself and not my spouse, since the 1099-SA (for the 2019 HSA distribution) from the insurer came to me in my name only, though it is for use by me and my spouse.

[EDITED] TurboTax says that I had an excess contribution of $4500 and that I checked off that I would withdraw that excess contribution by July 15. However, I used all but $0.98 of those funds to either pay medical bills directly or to pay myself for out of pocket medical bills.

[EDITED A SECOND TIME] If I change the response to "No we're not going to make this withdrawal" then our federal refund is INCREASED. 

[EDIT 3] And the INCREASED refund is exactly what the FILED tax return shows. So there is a glitch in that TurboTax changed the response to that question after filing.


[EDIT 3] And the INCREASED refund is exactly what the FILED tax return shows. So there is a glitch in that TurboTax changed the response to that question after filing.

 

If the filed return has an allowable $8000 HSA deduction, then all we are trying to figure out here is what changed in the online account after filing.  It's academically interesting, but if you have a copy of your return and your return is correct, it doesn't really matter, does it?

 

[EDITED] TurboTax says that I had an excess contribution of $4500 and that I checked off that I would withdraw that excess contribution by July 15.

 

For Turbotax to think you have a $4500 excess, that means that the program has forgotten that you have a family HDHP but also forgotten that you are age 55 or over.  This does not make sense to me.

 

So I wonder if the program has assigned the HSA to your spouse instead, if they are under age 55.  Whose name is on the form 8889?

 

There is only one HSA ACCOUNT, which is for the family

 

This is a nitpick but it is important.  An HSA has only one owner, regardless of how that owner chooses to spend the money.  It's not a family account, it's your account.

 

There was no suggestion from the insurer that we should have created two HSA accounts - I'm not sure that was even possible, given that there is only one family HDHP.

 

If you are covered by a family HDHP, then your spouse is considered to be covered by an HDHP as well.  As long as your spouse does not have some kind of additional insurance coverage, then your spouse is eligible to open an HSA in their name.  Your overall family contribution limit would still be $7000, plus $1000 catchup. The $7000 can be split any way you like, but your $1000 catchup can only be contributed to your account.  When your spouse turns 55, they are eligible for a $1000 catchup as well, making your overall limit $9000, but their catchup can only be put in their account.  That means that, once your spouse turns age 55, you could contribute $8000 to an account in your name and $1000 in an account in their name (or $4500/$4500, or any other split you like) but you could not contribute $9000 to an account in your name.  If the HSA is sponsored by your employer, they probably won't open a spousal account, but you can open an HSA at most banks.  They may charge a monthly maintenance fee. 

 

The interview for "Tell us about the health-related accounts" asks who had an HSA, to which I only checked off myself and not my spouse,

 

There are two separate sets of questions.  First, you need to know that once you own an HSA, you can continue to spend from it, even if your insurance changes and you are not eligible to contribute any more.  So the part of the program that asks "Do you have HDHP coverage and how much did you  contribute to an HSA?" is separate from and follows different rules from "Do you own an HSA and did you receive a distribution?"

 

To go from an allowable $8000 deduction to an allowable $3500 deduction would mean that Turbotax has forgotten that you have family insurance and forgotten your age, or has forgotten who owned the account, or something even stranger.  But if the return you filed claimed an $8000 deduction, and if you have an HDHP policy that also covers your spouse, and neither you nor your spouse has some other kind of disqualifying insurance, then the $8000 deduction is OK and you don't have to worry about the changed file other than the fact that it shouldn't have changed.

How to manage an HSA for self-employed w high-deductible marketplace plan

@Opus 17 Thank you for your continued insight. Please see my 3x-edited post to which you responded while I was, unfortunately, editing. I am using TurboTax on my local computer. There was only one version of the tax2019 file until I made a copy post-filing to research this issue. The PDFs that I referred to are the PDF generated from TurboTax immediately post-filing (that is the version that was filed, no question) and then generated after closing and reopening the file. I am due a refund and only just filed on 7/15 so no refund has been issued. There is only ONE HSA and ONE 8889. There isn't a form 5329 for excess contributions.

The HSA account is under the health insurance plan for our family and does not have either of our names on it -- it is just THE HSA account for our family's insurance.

In the return, form 8889 asks "Name(s) shown on Form 1040, 1040-SR, or 1040-NR" and only my name is listed. I don't have any control over that. Box 1 indicates that the HDPD is for the family.

The contribution on form 8889 line 2 AS FILED shows $8000. But that is what was changed to $3500 by TurboTax after I filed.

Schedule 1 line 12 AS FILED is $8000 and as changed is $3500.

dmertz
Level 15

How to manage an HSA for self-employed w high-deductible marketplace plan

I agree with Opus 17, obtain a copy of your 2019 tax return transcript to see what the IRS received as your filing.

 

It seems that at some point your HDHP type got changed from family to single, TurboTax flagged the $8,000 as being in excess of the amount a person with single HDHP coverage is eligible to contribute and you indicated that you would withdraw the "excess"  $4,500.  You'll need to go back to the HSA section and make sure that it shows family coverage, make sure that the contribution you personally made shows $8,000 and make sure that you have explicitly removed the $4,500 entry from the box labeled "Any personal contributions you made but withdrew before July 15, 2020" on the "Let's enter your HSA contrbutions" page.

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