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janice78
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529 and education credits

My daughter received her 1099 Q from her 529 plan. The distribution was paid directly to the college and covered all her expenses (tuition/room/board/fees). 

The only thing we paid out of pocket was $500 deposit and $100 for books. 

She also received her 1098 T from the college. 

We claim her on our taxes. 

Do both 1099 Q and 1098 T go on her tax return since the 529 essentially paid for everything?

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BrittanyS
Expert Alumni

529 and education credits

It is possible to claim the 1098-T and the 1099-Q if your expenses were enough for both to qualify.  However, be careful with claiming both since when calculating taxes, the 1098-T will be used first against qualified expenses, and then the 1099-Q will cover any remaining cost.  If the remaining costs are insufficient to cover the withdrawal, a penalty, and tax could be imposed on the 1099-Q distributions.  

 

Your post sounds like you may not have enough qualifying expenses to cover claiming the 1098-T American Opportunity Credit or the Lifetime Learning Credit and the 1099-Q.  

 

For more information, see the link below:

 

529 withdrawals, and the AOTC and LLC

 

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janice78
Returning Member

529 and education credits

So the 529 paid her Fall tuition/room/board/fees minus the scholarships/grants directly to college ( $9K).

We paid the deposit and books out of pocket ($600).

She will also have a federal student loan for $2K for this fall semester. 

 

So both 1098 and 1099 should go on my daughters return?

 

And nothing on ours (the parents)? No education credits allowed?

RalphH1
Expert Alumni

529 and education credits

[Edited 4/19/23 | 9:16 am PST]

 

The 1099-Q info would go on the return of the person whose social security number is on the form (see this other Community discussion). And since you’re claiming your daughter as a dependent, you would be the one who gets an education credit (on your return), if there is going to be one.

 

So if it’s your daughter on the 1099, things are complicated slightly by the allocation that must take place across the two tax returns. The main concept is that any dollar of “qualifying expenses” (i.e. tuition and fees) can be used for only one tax benefit: to exclude a dollar of the 529 distribution from taxation or to get a credit (but never both—that’s called “double-dipping,” and can lead to headaches). Of course, you’d probably like to use it on the one that gives you the best result on your return (or the best net result on both returns).

 

The good news is you’re actually allowed to do this. After first reducing the 529 distribution by “Room & Board” (which fortunately is a “qualifying expense” for that purpose), you can then allocate as much as you want of the remaining amount to something other than tuition, increasing the tax on the return where it’s being reported. But doing this then gives you more tuition to use for an education credit which is actually larger than that additional tax (sometimes much larger, especially when the 529 tax is on the kid’s return, in a low bracket).

 

Here is the IRS telling us about this treatment, to make you more comfortable with it. (With a 529 distribution that goes directly to the school, some people worry that it’s cheating if they treat it like they paid that tuition, but it’s not!) Note that this is more applicable to undergraduates (as the American Opportunity Credit is the best one, and only available to them).

 

@janice78, I hope this was clear. If you’re unsure about anything as you make the entries, be sure to come back here with questions! The IRS likes to check on education stuff, but hopefully the Community can help you feel confident about both of the returns...

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Hal_Al
Level 15

529 and education credits

There are three things you can do with your Qualified educational expenses (QEE):

  1. Allocate then to scholarships (so that the scholarship remains tax free)
  2. Use them to claim an education credit
  3. Allocate them to the 529 distribution (1099-Q) so that it will not all be taxable

You are free to allocate your student-dependent's  expenses for the best tax outcome.  And that is usually to allocate $4000 of tuition to claim the American Opportunity tax Credit (AOTC) on the parent's tax return.

Money from the student's loan is treated the same as out-of-pocket money (the same as paid by the parent).

 

Provide the following info for more specific help:

  • Are you the student or parent.
  • Is the  student  the parent's dependent.
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T
  • box 5 of the 1098-T
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of the 1099-Q
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B on campus charge. If he lives at home, the school’s R&B “allowance for cost of attendance” for student living with parents.
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources
  • Are you trying to claim the tuition credit (are you eligible)?
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student?

Notice that I haven't asked how much the parents paid or how much money came from loans.  Those numbers are irrelevant. 

 

 

 

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

529 and education credits

Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The American Opportunity Credit (AOC or AOTC) is 100% of the first $2000 of tuition and 25% of the next $2000 ($2500 maximum credit). The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

There is  $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

janice78
Returning Member

529 and education credits

I responded to questions...

My other issue is we paid the Spring 2023 semester with her 529 as well and that amount is included on this 1099Q.

Provide the following info for more specific help:

  • Are you the student or parent. - Parent
  • Is the  student  the parent's dependent. Yes
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T $26,725
  • box 5 of the 1098-T $15,250
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5 No
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not) No
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition Don’t think so
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q $17,613
  • Box 2 of the 1099-Q $5,110.42
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)? Student
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B on campus charge. If he lives at home, the school’s R&B “allowance for cost of attendance” for student living with parents. $7,055
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers $100 (books)
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources $8,300 W2s
  • Are you trying to claim the tuition credit (are you eligible)? If I can, yes
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student? Undergrad – first year
Hal_Al
Level 15

529 and education credits

You have $33,880 (26725 + 7055 + 100) of Qualified educational expenses (QEE).  We need $4000 for the AOTC, $15,250 for the scholarship and $17,613 for the 1099-Q. $4000 + 15250 + 17623 = 36,863.  $36,863 - 33,880 = $2983 shortage of QEE.  Something has to be taxable, either some of the 1099-Q earnings or some of the scholarship, or you forego some of the AOTC.  The AOTC is way too generous to forgo. 

 

2983 / 17613 = 16.93% of the  1099-Q earnings would be taxable.  0.1693 x 5110 =$865.  Or, we declare $2983 of the scholarship to be taxable. $865 vs $2983 seems like an simple decision.  But taxes aren't simple.

 

The 529 Plan distribution (1099-Q) taxable earnings are considered "unearned income".  Taxable scholarship is considered earned income*.  A dependent's standard deduction is their earned income + $400.  So, it's better, in your case, to declare the scholarship taxable, because none actually gets taxed**.

 

 

*Scholarships are a hybrid between earned and unearned income. It is earned income for purposes of the $12,950 filing requirement and the dependent standard deduction calculation (earned income + $400).  It is not earned income for the kiddie tax and other purposes (EIC. IRA contributions or additional child tax credit).

 

** $8300 wages + 2983 taxable scholarship) = 11,283 total income. Less standard deduction of 11,683 (11283 +400) = 0 taxable income.  8300 wages + 865 taxable 1099-Q = 9165 total income.  Less standard deduction of 8700 (8300 =400) = $465 taxable income. 

__________________________________________________________________________________________

How to enter this in TurboTax:

 

Do not enter the 1099-Q, at all. The distribution is fully covered by Adjusted QEE. 

 

Enter the 1098-T, on your return, but only enter $4000 in box 1. No other numbers.  This gets you the full AOTC. You only enter the 1098-T to get TurboTax to check the proper box on form 8863. Lying to TurboTax to get it to do what you want does not constitute lying to the IRS. The 1098-T that you enter in TT is not sent to the IRS.

 

 Manually calculate the taxable amount of scholarship ($2983)and enter the 1098-T, on her return, with 0 in box 1 and the  taxable amount ($2983) in box 5. Enter no other numbers. 

janice78
Returning Member

529 and education credits

Thank You Very Much for your help with this!

Hal_Al
Level 15

529 and education credits

I just noticed your comment "My other issue is we paid the Spring 2023 semester with her 529 as well and that amount is included on this 1099Q.''

 

The answer is probably still good, since it comes out with you getting the AOTC and your student not having to pay any tax, and none of the 1099-Q being taxable. 

 

But you should be aware of the consequences of mismatched years with QEE and 529 distributions.  Try to avoid this in the future.  See: 

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/college-education/discussion/529-provider-distributed-funds-on-12-...

 

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/college-education/discussion/i-took-a-529-distribution-in-2021-for...

 

https://www.savingforcollege.com/article/timing-of-529-plan-distributions-must-match-qualified-expen...  

 

 

 

 

janice78
Returning Member

529 and education credits

Thank you for all your help with this. I have one more question.

I realized when putting this all in that the school actually included the Room & Board of $7055 in the Box 1 Total of $26,725 on the 1098 T.

So then I really have $26,725 +100 (books) = $26,825 of QEE.

So $4000 (AOTC) + $15250 (Scholarships) + $17,613 (1099Q) = $36,863

$36,863-$26,825 = $10,038 shortage of QEE.

10,038/17613 = $56.99%  - .5699x5110 = $2,912.19 taxable 1099Q earnings

Or $10,038 scholarship taxable

In this case would it make more since to put that shortage to the 1099Q earnings?

If so, how would I show that on the students return?

 

@Hal_Al 

Hal_Al
Level 15

529 and education credits

Be sure the school included R&B in box 1 of the 1098-T.  That would be highly unusual. Basically, they should know better, by now.  The 1098-T has been around for decades. 

janice78
Returning Member

529 and education credits

I pulled the account summary from the school and that shows 

Tuition $18,575

Fees $845

Room and Board $7055

Misc Charges $250

Totaling the $26,725

Which is the total in Box 1 of the 1098T $26,725

 

I didn't think room and board was supposed to be included in box 1 as well, but it looks like it is when I'm looking at the account summary.

Hal_Al
Level 15

529 and education credits

Q. In this case would it make more sense to put that shortage to the 1099Q earnings?

A.  The best answer is some of each. Use the scholarship to reach $12,550 (12,950 -400), to get the maximum standard deduction (12,550 -8300 = $4250).  10,038 - 4250 = 5788.  5788 / 17613 = 32.86%.  0.3286 x 5110 = $1679

 

Q. If so, how would I show that on the students return?

A. Not very easily.  You qualify for the penalty exception, since you are claiming the tuition credit and had scholarship for the overlapping funding.  So, you've got to get that in too (claim the penalty exception on form 5239). I haven't actually tried this particular situation before. So, at this point, I cannot give step by step instructions. 

It may be easier with the desktop (download) software, rather than online. You can make adjustments directly on the worksheets and forms. 

 

Let's go back to another issue: the mismatched years for part of the 529 distribution.  For a discussion, see these links (repeated from above):

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/college-education/discussion/529-provider-distributed-funds-on-12-...

 

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/college-education/discussion/i-took-a-529-distribution-in-2021-for...

 

If you claim some of the 529 distribution, for next year, you can go back to just not entering the 1099-Q, and use the previous directions for how to enter in TT. The taxable scholarship amount will change.  You may not have to enter anything on the student return (it may not be necessary to declare any scholarship taxable).

 

 

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

529 and education credits

I gave it try on my computer (Deluxe download), TT handled it perfectly. Coming up with $1679 taxable distribution (line 8z of schedule 1) and $4250 taxable scholarship (line 8r of Schedule 1). The penalty exception appeared on form 5329. 

 

On the parent's return, enter the 1098-T with $4000 in box 1 and no other amounts.  On the student's return, enter the 1099-Q first, then the 1098-T later. Enter both exactly as received (no adjustments).  When asked how much of the scholarship was used for room & board, enter $4250 (that entry makes it taxable).  You should reach a screen "Education Expenses Used for a Tax Credit". The box should be prepopulated with $4000, if not change it to $4000.*  If you don't get that result reply back and we can try a work around.

 

This assumes, you going to treat the entire 1099-Q amount as a 2022 distribution, and not partially for 2023. 

 

*When the student indicates, in the personal info section,  that he is a dependent, TT assumes the parent claims the credit. 

 

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