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In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).

In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).     I must be missing something because this seems like everyone should do this.   Why is this uncommon and why is it important?  


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rjs
Level 15
Level 15

In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).

Most IRA contributions are deductible in the year that you make the contribution. That's one of the biggest advantages of contributing to an IRA. So it's very rare for people to make nondeductible IRA contributions, since it cancels out one of the major tax advantages. Also, if someone wanted to contribute to an IRA without being able to deduct the contribution, contributing to a Roth IRA has significant advantages over making a nondeductible contribution to a traditional IRA. For all these reasons, it's very uncommon for people to make nondeductible IRA contributions.

One other factor is the "keeping track" part. You have to both make and keep track of nondeductible IRA contributions. Most people aren't careful about keeping financial records over long periods of time. Someone who made a nondeductible contribution to an IRA 20 or 30 years ago typically doesn't have the records anymore. They should have been filing a Form 8606 with their tax return every year, carrying forward their "basis" (total of nondeductible contributions) from year to year. But again, people aren't careful about things like that and the information tends to get lost over the course of many years. So as uncommon as it is for people to make nondeductible IRA contributions, it's even more uncommon for them to make nondeductible contributions and keep track of them.

rjs
Level 15
Level 15

In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).

You also asked why this is important. It's important because having basis (past nondeductible contributions) in your IRA reduces the amount that's taxable when you withdraw money from the IRA. But to take advantage of the reduction, you have to have the records of the past nondeductible contributions.
cadore
Returning Member

In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).

If someone's Modified Adjusted Gross Income is above the threshold for deductibility, a contribution to traditional IRA will still be beneficial since the growth portion will be tax-deferred, correct? And in this case, it will be a non-deductible IRA contribution as described in the subject is referred here, correct? 

In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).


@cadore wrote:

If someone's Modified Adjusted Gross Income is above the threshold for deductibility, a contribution to traditional IRA will still be beneficial since the growth portion will be tax-deferred, correct? And in this case, it will be a non-deductible IRA contribution as described in the subject is referred here, correct? 


The real expert is @dmertz but, as far as I can see, there is very little benefit to making non-deductible contributions to a traditional IRA.

 

The growth is tax-deferred, but when you withdraw the money you pay income tax at ordinary income tax rates.  If you simply invest the money in a brokerage account (stocks, bonds, mutual funds, etc.) you pay a little tax every year instead of only when you cash out, but at least some of the income (depending on the kind of investment) is taxed as long term capital gains, so a lower rate than ordinary income.  It might make sense if you were invested in income-heavy securities and expected to be in a lower tax bracket when you retire, but it doesn't make sense to me if you are invested in growth securities (capital appreciation). 

 

You also create a paperwork mess insofar as having to keep track of basis in an account that usually has zero basis. 

cadore
Returning Member

In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).

Thanks Champ!!
Given the limits to the (non-deductible) contribution with Roth IRA and Traditional IRA, if the intention of contributing non-deductible money to a traditional IRA is to subsequently convert it into a Roth IRA to allow it to grow tax-free, would it in your view still offer little financial advantage?

In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).

What cadore said.

 

Anyone with earned income can make a contribution to a traditional IRA. However, deductibility of traditional IRA contributions phases out with income (as does the ability to make Roth contributions). But the law permits higher earners to convert a traditional IRA to a Roth - the "backdoor Roth." This is a common reason someone might make a non-deductible traditional IRA contribution. However, conversion is usually done immediately after the contribution (there's no required waiting period), so non-deductible contributions from prior years would usually not be in the traditional IRA account anymore. TurboTax is not clear on this point in its instructions: you should only report past-year non-deductible contributions IF THEY ARE STILL IN THE ACCOUNT at the end of the current tax year. Note that mixing of deductible and non-deductible contributions is a little more complicated, as they can't be unmixed (and indeed is the reason for this question in TurboTax).

In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).

"you should only report past-year non-deductible contributions IF THEY ARE STILL IN THE ACCOUNT at the end of the current tax year."

 

As per US Tax Code, it is impossible to get all the non-deductible contributions out of the account, unless you convert or withdraw the entirety of ALL your Traditional, SIMPLE, or SEP IRAs 

In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).

@fanfare @RickLamar @Bob Reardon @cadore 

 

hey guys I was reading thru this thread.  I think I have a made a few mistakes filing with TurboTax.  For example, I have been doing the backdoor Roth for a few years now.  You mention to only report non deductible contributions if they are still in the traditional account.  If I have $0 in my traditional at end of year 2022, would it make any sense to have line 14 on my 8606 in year 2022 be $2722?   Having something in line 14 thinks I still had $2722 in my traditional IRA?  Thanks 

In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).

 

This does not usually happen but it's possible the IRA basis is not used up even after you have emptied all your IRAs by conversion. This assumes you've been tracking your basis correctly all along.

 

why do you mention 2022?. do you see left-over basis?

start a new thread to discuss your situation.

 

@dhuynh44 

In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).

@fanfare 

I started a topic here:

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-what-to-enter-for-question-any-nondeductible-c...

Basically I think I have a unique situation.  I accidentally recharacterized $1000 (for ease) twice from Roth to traditional bc I put it in the wrong account.  This created a basis going forward from 2020 to 2021 and so forth.  So end of year 2021 I ended up with $2772 on like 14 even though I actually only had $500.  I feel that I reported everything correctly based on my tax forms (which included all these double recharacterizations) so now my basis does not match my actual amount in the traditional.  Am I screwed pretty much going forward?  I don’t really know how to remedy this besides report them as listed on the tax forms.  Any advice would be appreciated.  

the original thread of my problem from last year:

https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/taxes/discussion/re-please-help-converted-non-deductible-tradition...

dmertz
Level 15

In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).

Investment losses can result in your basis being greater than your balance.

In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).

@dmertz 

I see.  What would be the tax implications for this?  Would I owe any money bc my basis is higher than me end balance?  

if my 2021 line 14 8606 is $2772, and my end of year balance in my traditional for 2022 is $0, would my line 14 for tax year be $0 to reflect this?  Or would it be dependent on how much I converted for year 2022 ($6000?).  I haven’t finished TurboTax this year but curious in theory and understanding.  Thanks 

dmertz
Level 15

In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).

In the past, unrecoverable basis could be claimed on Schedule A as a miscellaneous deduction subject to the 2% of AGI floor, but these deductions have been suspended through 2025.

In the IRA section, TurboTax ask if you made and kept tract of any nondeductible contribution in prior years (This is not common).

@dmertz 

 

“In the past, unrecoverable basis could be claimed on Schedule A as a miscellaneous deduction subject to the 2% of AGI floor, but these deductions have been suspended through 2025”

 

Hey could you explain more of this to me?  I have never heard of such a thing thank you

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