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Should I use General Method for calculating taxable portion of 1099-R if different from gross distribution because I have a clergy housing allowance?

I'm retired clergy.  My 1099-R has my gross distribution which includes my housing allowance in box 1. Box 2b, taxable amount not determined, is checked. I calculated the taxable amount by subtracting our housing expenses from the gross and entered that in 2a. As I proceed in the Step by step, it sees that 2a doesn't match 1, and asks if I am using the simplified method or general method to calculate the taxable amount. which should I choose?
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ColeenD3
Expert Alumni

Should I use General Method for calculating taxable portion of 1099-R if different from gross distribution because I have a clergy housing allowance?

Those methods have nothing to do with your being clergy. See the method for allocating your housing below.

 

The General Rule

 

If you receive annuity payments from a nonqualified retirement plan, you must use the General Rule. Under the General Rule, you figure the taxable and tax-free parts of your annuity payments using life expectancy tables that the IRS issues. For a fee, the IRS will figure the tax-free part of your annuity payments for you. For more information, refer to Publication 939General Rule for Pensions and Annuities.

 

The Simplified Method

 

Generally, if you begin receiving annuity payments from a qualified retirement plan, you use the Simplified Method to figure the tax-free part of the payments. A qualified retirement plan is a qualified employee plan, a qualified employee annuity, or a tax-sheltered annuity plan or contract (refer to Publication 575 for definitions). Under the Simplified Method, you figure the taxable and tax-free parts of your annuity payments by completing the Simplified Method Worksheet in the Form 1040 Instructions or in Publication 575. For more information on the Simplified Method, refer to Publication 575, or if you receive United States Civil Service retirement benefits, refer to Publication 721Tax Guide to U.S. Civil Service Retirement Benefits.

Clergy and 1099-R

 

As a retired minister, you can exclude the rental value of a home (plus utilities) furnished to you by your church as a part of your pay for past services, or the part of your pension that was designated as a rental allowance, from your gross income. Any allowance in excess of this amount is considered taxable income.

If you're not already on the 1099-R screen, open your return, search for 1099-R and select the Jump to link in the search results. Follow the directions to import or manually enter your 1099-R.

 

How you account for the exclusion depends on whether or not Box 2b (taxable amount not determined) is checked.

If Box 2b is checked

 

Enter the appropriate taxable amount in Box 2a of the Enter your 1099-R screen.

Enter the amount in Box 1 as it's shown on your 1099-R. Subtract your documented housing expenses from the gross distribution amount in Box 1 and enter the result or zero (whichever is greater) in Box 2a, Taxable Amount. Check Taxable amount not determined in the Box 2b section. Enter the rest of your 1099-R as you see it.

This will remove the non-taxable portion from the distribution reported on your 1099-R.

If Box 2b is not checked

 

  • Enter your 1099-R exactly as you see it and complete the 1099-R section.
  • Search for other reportable income and then select the Jump to link in the search results.
  • Answer No to Did you receive other wages? and select Continue.
  • Scroll all the way to the bottom of the Let's Work on Any Miscellaneous Income screen and select Start next to Other Reportable Income.
  • Answer Yes to Any Other Taxable Income?
  • On the Other Taxable Income screen, type Clergy Housing Allowance in the description and enter your documented housing expenses as a negative number up to the amount reported in Box 2a Taxable Amount (precede the expenses with a minus sign, like -10,000).
judiecampbell
Returning Member

Should I use General Method for calculating taxable portion of 1099-R if different from gross distribution because I have a clergy housing allowance?

need taxable amount on form 1099R for pension or annuity  box 2a is unknown

Should I use General Method for calculating taxable portion of 1099-R if different from gross distribution because I have a clergy housing allowance?

The problem is Turbotax in the step-by-step asks me if I used the simplified or general method.  I know neither is applicable to calculating the taxable portion of my pension.  I understand how to do that.  So do I choose simplified or general method where it is requiring me to choose one please?

BillM223
Expert Alumni

Should I use General Method for calculating taxable portion of 1099-R if different from gross distribution because I have a clergy housing allowance?

 

If Box 2b is checked, then all we have to do is to enter the correct number in box 2a - see the following article. Go through the 1099-R interview and eventually, you will be asked if the amount in box 2a was used as the taxable amount in previous years - check Yes, and you will be done with this section.

 

If Box 2b is not checked then you will have to make an adjustment elsewhere in the return. Read the following article.

 

Please see this TurboTax Help article that describes how you need to handle this situation.

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Should I use General Method for calculating taxable portion of 1099-R if different from gross distribution because I have a clergy housing allowance?


@judiecampbell wrote:

need taxable amount on form 1099R for pension or annuity  box 2a is unknown


Does box 2a actually have UNKNOWN in it?   If it does then:

 

That is probably a CSA 1099-R from OPM.

OPM violates the 1099-R rules by writing "helpful" information in the box rather than just the value or code like they are supposed to. OPM has done that for years and it causes more confusion than help. They put UNKNOWN in box 2a when it should be blank, and put "7 NONDISABILITY" in box 7 when is should only be "7", "1" or "2".

The taxable amount in box 2a is usually the box 1 amount unless you have after-tax contributions in the retirement plan and use the simplified method. If this is NOT the first year of receiving payments, then you should use the same method that was used last year - either the box 1 amount or the simplified method, using the carry forward simplified information from last year.

If box 2a is blank or UNKNOWN then there should be amount in box 9b to use with the simplified method. If no amount in 9b then contact OPM to find the account "basis".

Enter a 1099-R here:

Federal Taxes,
Wages & Income
I’ll choose what I work on (if that screen comes up),
Retirement Plans & Social Security,
IRA, 401(k), Pension Plan Withdrawals (1099-R).

OR Use the "Tools" menu (if online version under My Account) and then "Search Topics" for "1099-R" which will take you to the same place.

Be sure to choose which spouse the 1099-R is for if this is a joint tax return.


Be sure to pick the correct 1099-R type: Standard 1099-R, CSA-1099-R, CSF-1099-R, RRB-1099-R.

[NOTE: When you get to the "Your 1099-R Entries" screen where you can add another 1099-R, use "continue" to keep going as there are additional interview questions after that screen in most cases. You can always return as shown above.]

**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**
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