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Converting primary residence to rental does not seem to calculate correctly - property tax of $5,000 still gets computed as $0. How should this be entered on turbo tax?

I would imagine that this is a common scenario: my family got a new home and rented out the old one.

 

Let's say that I used it for 100 days before trying to rent it out, so the expenses for renting out the property should be 72.6% of the year's. I expect that the expenses for Real estate taxes and insurance premiums (5k and 1k respectively) should be calculated as $3620 and $726 respectively. Yet turbotax calculate these as $0! What did I do wrong?

 

I did these steps: "Rental property info", "Situations" - I select the situation "Converted home to rental...", "From primary residence to rental", then the complicated part is "Was <place> rented every single day in 2021?" -> and I think I should be selecting "No" - and here I entered "265 fair rented days" and "100 personal use days".

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Converting primary residence to rental does not seem to calculate correctly - property tax of $5,000 still gets computed as $0. How should this be entered on turbo tax?

READ that screen again .... you should have ZERO personal use days once the property is converted to a rental ... if you enter any personal use days you will have a vacation rental where the expenses are limited to your income.

 

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Converting primary residence to rental does not seem to calculate correctly - property tax of $5,000 still gets computed as $0. How should this be entered on turbo tax?

it would seem different versions of Turbotax ask different questions

Was <place> rented every single day in 2021? - this is misleading. Turbotax should have added after converting to rental 

 

 

 

in desktop deluxe

right below where it asks for personal use days it makes this comment:

the number of days during the year you lived in the property before converting it to a rental do not count as personal use days and should not be entered as personal use during the year.

 

in addition under "what's more" it states: in the year you convert your property from personal use to a rental the days you lived in the home as your primary residence prior to conversion do not count as personal use days

 

thus I conclude you should enter 0 as personal use days

 

there are two ways to allocate expenses.  

1) manually thus when you get to taxes you would only enter $3620. you would then have to enter the personal portion when you get to itemized  deductions

2) in forms mode on schedule E you would check P to allocate and for Q you would enter to 6 decimal places 72.6027 (265/365 = rental use). this automatically carries the personal portion of deductible expenses to Schedule A.

 

 

if you are over the mortgage balance limit you will have to do manual calculations if the interest deduction on schedule A needs to be limited.

 

Carl
Level 15

Converting primary residence to rental does not seem to calculate correctly - property tax of $5,000 still gets computed as $0. How should this be entered on turbo tax?

There are several reasons this happens.

- The user does not read the small print on a particular screen and therefore makes incorrect assumptions, thus entering incorrect information and/or making wrong selections.

- The program does not provide the clarity necessary on many more screens, again resulting in incorrect understanding and interpretation of what is being asked for. (This is the most prevalent.)

The information below will provide you the clarity where the program does not.

Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.

Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence or 2nd home before, then this date is the day AFTER you moved out, or the date you decided to lease the property – whichever is later.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter was contracted to move in, and/or "could" have moved in. That would be your "in service" date or after if you were asked for that. Vacant periods between renters do not count for actual days rented. Please see IRS Publication927 page 17 at https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p527.pdf#en_US_2020_publink1000219175 Read the “Example” in the third column.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence, 2nd home, or any other personal use reasons after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.

RENTAL PROPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED

Property Improvement.

Property improvements are expenses you incur that Improve, restore, or otherwise “better” the property. Basically, they retain or add value to the property.

Betterments:
Expenses that may result in a betterment to your property include expenses for fixing a pre-existing defect or condition, enlarging or expanding your property, or increasing the capacity, strength, or quality of your property. An example of a pre-existing condition or defect in this context would be something such as foundation repair (slab jacking) or some other, hidden and costly, anomaly.
Restoration:
Expenses that may be for restoration include expenses for replacing a substantial structural part of your property, repairing damage to your property after you properly adjusted the basis of your property as a result of a casualty loss, or rebuilding your property to a like-new condition.
Adaptation:
Expenses that may be for adaptation include expenses for altering your property to a use that isn’t consistent with the intended ordinary use of your property when you began renting the property. Adding a wheelchair ramp would be an example.

 

Expenses for these types of costs are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.

To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria need to be met:

1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.

2) The improvement must retain or add "real" value to the property. In other words, when the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.

There are rules that allow you to just flat-out expense and deduct some property improvements instead of capitalizing and depreciating them, if the total cost of the improvement was less than $2,500. It’s referred to as “safe harbor di-minimis” But depending on the specific situation, this may or may not be beneficial. Just be aware that not every property improvement that cost less than $2,500 qualifies for this. If this interest you, the rules can get complex. So a good place to start reading is on the IRS website at https://www.irs.gov/businesses/small-businesses-self-employed/tangible-property-final-regulations. The stuff on di-minimis starts about one page down.

Cleaning & Maintenance

Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and its assets in the usable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent for the very first time are not deductible.

Repair

Those expenses incurred to return the property or its assets to the same usable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent for the very first time are not deductible.

Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.

However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a 2-bedroom house into a 3-bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.

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