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It seems I am entering mortgage interest twice. Once in the rentals portion and once on the deductions side. How about a converted personal to rental calculation?

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PatriciaV
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It seems I am entering mortgage interest twice. Once in the rentals portion and once on the deductions side. How about a converted personal to rental calculation?

Yes, in the case of a property converted from personal to rental use, you will need to enter Mortgage Interest and Property Taxes in two areas of TurboTax.

First, allocate your expenses for the year based on the number of days the property was available to be rented. That portion is entered under Rental Expenses. (You must make the calculations - TurboTax does not allocate for you.)

Second, enter only the portion of Mortgage Interest and Property Taxes that remains - under Deductions & Credits >> Your Home. Only these two expenses are included in itemized deductions. 

For more help, see the blue "Learn More" link on the page titled "Converting Your Home to a Rental" (see screenshot below - click to enlarge).

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Anonymous
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It seems I am entering mortgage interest twice. Once in the rentals portion and once on the deductions side. How about a converted personal to rental calculation?

Some answers say we have to manually prorate, which would set up a flag that the 1098 doesn't match what was actually reported. When I look at the forms TT prorates for you based on days rented.  Very confusing and no consistent answers. Please help!!
PatriciaV
Employee Tax Expert

It seems I am entering mortgage interest twice. Once in the rentals portion and once on the deductions side. How about a converted personal to rental calculation?

Yes, in the case of a property converted from personal to rental use, you will need to enter Mortgage Interest and Property Taxes in two areas of TurboTax.

First, allocate your expenses for the year based on the number of days the property was available to be rented. That portion is entered under Rental Expenses. (You must make the calculations - TurboTax does not allocate for you.)

Second, enter only the portion of Mortgage Interest and Property Taxes that remains - under Deductions & Credits >> Your Home. Only these two expenses are included in itemized deductions. 

For more help, see the blue "Learn More" link on the page titled "Converting Your Home to a Rental" (see screenshot below - click to enlarge).

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Anonymous
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It seems I am entering mortgage interest twice. Once in the rentals portion and once on the deductions side. How about a converted personal to rental calculation?

Some answers say we have to manually prorate, which would set up a flag that the 1098 doesn't match what was actually reported. When I look at the forms TT prorates for you based on days rented.  Very confusing and no consistent answers. Please help!!
PatriciaV
Employee Tax Expert

It seems I am entering mortgage interest twice. Once in the rentals portion and once on the deductions side. How about a converted personal to rental calculation?

As long as you do not report more total mortgage interest than is on the 1098, you should be fine. The IRS takes issue only if you report more than you should.
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Anonymous
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It seems I am entering mortgage interest twice. Once in the rentals portion and once on the deductions side. How about a converted personal to rental calculation?

Thanks. I experience same issue with Property Taxes, Home Owners Associations fees, Dwelling Insurance for the rental property, etc. TT prorates for you based on days rented (I looked at Schedule E).

It seems I am entering mortgage interest twice. Once in the rentals portion and once on the deductions side. How about a converted personal to rental calculation?

I also have this issue. I wish there was a method for turning off the option to have turbo tax compute this for you. It's extremely unhelpful and impossible to turn off. So annoying.
vegandork
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It seems I am entering mortgage interest twice. Once in the rentals portion and once on the deductions side. How about a converted personal to rental calculation?

This is beyond confusing and your wording is unhelpful.

For property taxes, mortgage interest, et al in a rental property that I live in...what the heck should I be deducting?  Should I prorate the time the space was rented, use that in the rental taxes and the rest on my personal deduction?  Should I prorate to the time the space was available even when it was not rented?  Should I not prorate at all?

This seems like something that should come up a lot and for the system not to address it at all makes me think I shouldn't be using TurboTax. @PatriciaV 

Carl
Level 15

It seems I am entering mortgage interest twice. Once in the rentals portion and once on the deductions side. How about a converted personal to rental calculation?

I have been using TurboTax for 15 plus years now, and this year I get the impression that while they may know tax law, quite a number of the tax experts and turbotax employees participating in this forum really don't know how the program works and what all of it's capabilities are yet. 

Now I myself own three rentals and have been a landlord for going on 30 years now. I've been using TurboTax for 18 of those years. So when it comes to reporting your rentals in TurboTax, here's the bottom line.

It is IMMENSELY IMPORTANT that you use the TurboTax program the way it is designed and intended to be used. It is also IMMENSELY IMPORTANT that you read each screen in it's entirety as you work things through. If you do not, and you are not experienced with the program, you *WILL* make mistakes.

So by following the above that means that you will be entering your rental stuff first, well before you get to the personal deductions stuff. Work through the Rental & Royalty Income (SCH E) section of the program and (I can't stress this enough) READ EVERY WORD ON EVERY SCREEN. Depending on your specific and explicit situation the program will ask you if you want to do the splits manually, or let the program do those splits for you. Elect to have the program do the splits for you.  So key points.

For the rental expenses, enter the total of all expenses paid for that rental, starting on the first day that rental was "available for rent". Those expenses are 100% deductible with one exception that you have to figure manually *no* *matter* *what*.

The property insurance that you paid in 2019 is not deductible anywhere on your tax return for the period of time the property was not a rental. It is only deductible for the period of time it was a rental. So you'll have to pro-rate the insurance premium you paid in 2019. For example, if you paid $1200 back in june and then converted the property to a rental in Sept and it was "available for rent" on Sept 1, that's 4 months of insurance you can deduct on the SCH E. with 12 months in the year that fraction is 4/12ths, and 4/12ths of $1200 is $400. So you enter $400 in the box that asks you for the insurance.

When you enter the mortgage interest, enter the 1098 *EXACTLY* as printed. Then finish working through the rental section of the program in it's entirety. Then press on with life.

When you get to Deductions & Credits and start the "Your Home" section, remember to read every word on every screen. You will see in black and white that the program will show you the amount of the mortgage interest allocated to your SCH A from the coverted rental. DO NOT ENTER IT AGAIN.

However, if you own the house you lived in upon vacating the rental and you paid mortgage interest on that house in 2019, then you will enter the 1098 for the SECOND house you lived in in 2019 in the "Your Home" section, and that's it.

So what it comes down to is that you will enter each 1098 *EXACTLY* as printed, and you will enter them only once in the program. That's it.

 

Carl
Level 15

It seems I am entering mortgage interest twice. Once in the rentals portion and once on the deductions side. How about a converted personal to rental calculation?

Oh yeah, and one more thing. Here's some additional information you will need. It provides clarity where the program does not.

Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.

Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence before, then this date is the day AFTER you moved out.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter "could" have moved in. That should be your "in service" date if you were asked for that. Vacant periods between renters count also PROVIDED you did not live in the house for one single day during said period of vacancy.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence or 2nd home, after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.

RENTAL PROPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED

Property Improvement.

Property improvements are expenses you incur that add value to the property. Expenses for this are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.

To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria must be met:

1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.

2) The improvement must add "real" value to the property. In other words, when  the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.

Cleaning & Maintenance

Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and it's assets in the useable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.

Repair

Those expenses incurred to return the property or it's assets to the same useable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not deductible.

Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.

However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a  2 bedroom house into a 3 bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.

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