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pbhasin11
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Why is the distribution my daughter received from her 529 plan to pay for tuition reducing her tax refund?

I thought the distribution from the 529 wouldn't impact her tax refund, but it is why?
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KathrynG3
Expert Alumni

Why is the distribution my daughter received from her 529 plan to pay for tuition reducing her tax refund?

Correct, distributions for qualified education expenses from Section 529 plans will not impact tax liability.

 

However, this is typically reported by the person who owns the account, not the beneficiary.

 

For more information, see: Where do I enter a 1099-Q?

Hal_Al
Level 15

Why is the distribution my daughter received from her 529 plan to pay for tuition reducing her tax refund?

TurboTax (TT) is calculating that a portion of her 529 distribution is taxable (and maybe subject to the 10% penalty for an unqualified distribution).  The TT interview is long and confusing. Mistakes can be made.  If you know for a fact that it is not taxable, just don't enter the 1099-Q. 

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

 

She  cannot count the same tuition money, for the  exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan, that you (or she) used to get the tuition credit..

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $600

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free

60%x600= $360

You have $240 of taxable income (600-360)

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit.

 

 

Carl
Level 15

Why is the distribution my daughter received from her 529 plan to pay for tuition reducing her tax refund?

When you have a 1099-Q it is extremely important that you work through the education section of the program in the order it is designed and intended to be used. If you do not, then there is a high probability that you will not be asked for room & board expenses, and you could therefore be TAXED on your 1099-Q funds.

bubba6
New Member

Why is the distribution my daughter received from her 529 plan to pay for tuition reducing her tax refund?

Tuition: 13,000

R&B: 1,300 (for CY 2022, because most of it was paid in calendar year2021)

Scholarship: 7,500

1099Q (529-QTP): 9,300 (basis 5300)

AOC: $4,000

 

In your post you had talked of the alternate scenario:   ***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit.

 

When I am doing my 2022 Tax, TurboTax is defaulting to this alternate scenario and only asking me about how much of the scholarship should be made taxable (i.e. applied towards room and board). If I say Zero, then it totally ignores the AOC and never gives me the ability to have expenses applied in this order FIRST Scholarship SECOND $4,000 AOC, and then lastly remaining amounts applied against 1099Q. This is how your base scenario was.   

Hal_Al
Level 15

Why is the distribution my daughter received from her 529 plan to pay for tuition reducing her tax refund?

Provide the following info for more specific help:

  • Are you the student or parent.
  • Is the  student  the parent's dependent.
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T
  • box 5 of the 1098-T
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of the 1099-Q
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B charge.
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources
  • Are you trying to claim the tuition credit (are you eligible)?
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student?
bubba6
New Member

Why is the distribution my daughter received from her 529 plan to pay for tuition reducing her tax refund?

  • Are you the student or parent: Student
  • Is the  student  the parent's dependent: No
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T: 13,000
  • box 5 of the 1098-T: 7,500
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5: No
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not):No
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition: No
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q:9,300
  • Box 2 of the 1099-Q:4,000
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B charge.
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources
  • Are you trying to claim the tuition credit (are you eligible)?
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student?
bubba6
New Member

Why is the distribution my daughter received from her 529 plan to pay for tuition reducing her tax refund?

Some more responses:

  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”): All Student's
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B charge: Lived on Campus. Had paid living costs in CY 2021 to the Univ. Remaining mount paid in Jan 2022 was 1,300
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers: none for books computers etc
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources: Finishes school and started working so have earned income of $37k. Dividends of 1,600, qualified div of 1,550, Capital gains dist and LTCG from stock sale 20,000
  • Are you trying to claim the tuition credit (are you eligible): Yes, want to claim AOC, and I am eligible 
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student? Undergraduate, last semester
Hal_Al
Level 15

Why is the distribution my daughter received from her 529 plan to pay for tuition reducing her tax refund?

Graduation year is usually the 5th calendar/tax year of college.  That usually means the parents already claimed the AOC the maximum 4 times on the student's education.  Be sure your student is still eligible for the AOC. 

 

Claiming some of  the scholarship as taxable is not an option in his/her case (the taxable portion of the 529 will be less).  It works out differently for student-dependents because of how a dependent's standard deduction is calculated. 

 

For now, I'll assume he is still eligible for the AOC.  Since you're having trouble getting TurboTax (TT) to do what your want (your situation is somewhat unusual), I would use this workaround:

Enter the 1099-Q., before entering the 1098-T. When asked who the student is answer: someone else not listed here (lying to TurboTax to get it to do what you want does not constitute lying to the IRS).  Enter his name when asked.  A few screens later, you'll get one simple screen to enter expenses. Press Done at the 1099-Q summary screen, to get there.  Enter the Tuition and room & board in the boxes indicated. Also enter $11,500  ($7500 scholarship + $4000 used to claim AOC)  in the box "Tax-free assistance".  This reports the earnings as taxable* and claims the scholarship/AOC  penalty exception. TT will prepare form 5329 to claim the penalty exception.

 

Later at the educational expenses section, he enters the 1098-T with $4000 in box 1 and box 5 blank.  This gets him the AOC. The modified 1098-T that you enter in TT is not sent to the IRS. It's just used to do the calculations. 

 

*  $14,300 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$7500 paid by tax free scholarship

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$2800 Can be used against the 1099-Q ( on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $9300

Box 2 is $4000

2800/9300=30.11% of the earnings are tax free; 69.89% is taxable

0.6989 x $4000 = $2796

Student has  $2796 of taxable income  (this is the result you should be expecting (line 8z of  Schedule 1)

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