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Situation: Dependent son is in first year of college, full time, toward a degree, no drug convictions. We received a 1098-T for him and a 1099-Q in his name that went toward eligible room and board expenses. We also received a 1099-Q to my husband from the same 529 account for required books.
1098-T Box 1 - $16630 Box 5 - $17250
The 1099-Q made out to us was $877. That was the exact qualified book expense. I listed that under the education expense area for books not required to be purchased directly from the school in the Education area and have the 1099-Q in the Less Common Income, Miscellaneous area of the program.
We didn't pay anything out of pocket, all expenses were paid either from scholarships or the 529 account. We will need to report $620 of the scholarships as income since it was applied to room and board. It's my understanding we wouldn't qualify for AOTC because nothing was paid out of pocket but TT is saying we qualify for $1067.
My questions....
1. Does it matter now or next year if the 1098-T is wrong and only has the Fall semester? The box is checked that this is for 2021 and the first 3 months of 2022, however, this is not correct. If that included the Spring semester, according to statements it should be Box 1 - $33230 Box 5 - $34500. I'll be calling the school Monday for help on that but have currently completed TT with the information as is. The 1099-Q's for both us and our son ARE for qualified expenses for both semesters. Again, I'll contact the school for clarification but when I check or uncheck that box in TT, it doesn't affect anything.
2. When putting in the current 1098-T, it asks if any of the scholarships were already included in income. We did not claim the $620 of scholarships, that need to be claimed, previously. We do not have a w-2 or 1099-MISC stating this amount. We computed it off of statements. If I follow the less common income route back in personal income, it seems to want to apply any of the options to my spouse or I. So how to I get it marked SCH? I'm using TT Home and Business.
3. We'll use his 1099-Q on his return. It went toward eligible room and board expenses ($10,285). Does it need to be reported at all? He does have income from a summer job at $2900 with about $150 in tax withholding that would be returned (w-4 wasn't adjusted until a few paychecks into summer) so he does want to file.
4. And the biggest question, is do we really qualify for AOTC? Without the education piece entered at all, the refund is $1,133. It goes up to $2200 (as TT says we qualify for the $1067) after I enter the 1098-T, the 1099-Q for us as everything currently stands.
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Q. Do we really qualify for AOTC?
A. Yes. There are three things you can do with your Qualified educational expenses (QEE):
By allocating those expenses, and maybe paying a little tax on the 529 and/or the scholarship, you can claim the AOTC. You should be able to get the full $2500 AOTC by making more of his scholarship taxable
Q. .His 1099-Q went toward eligible room and board expenses ($10,285). Does it need to be reported at all?
A. No. You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, especially room & board (since R&B are only qualified for 529, and not scholarships & credits). When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
Q. How do I claim the $620 of scholarships? It seems to want to apply any of the options to my spouse or I. So how to I get it marked SCH?
A. You do not report taxable scholarship on your return. If any SCH is taxable, it goes on the student's return. You enter it in the educational/expenses and let TT calculate the taxable amount. Entering it there gets it on line 1 of form 1040 with the SCH code. That gets easier if you don't enter the 1099-Q on his return.
Q. Does it matter now or next year if the 1098-T is wrong and only has the Fall semester?
A. Yes. You gotta figure out the right numbers.
The 1098-T is only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your tax return. You claim the tuition credit, or report scholarship income, based on your own financial records, not the 1098-T. In the 1098-T screen, click on the link "What if this is not what I paid the school" underneath box 1. You will then be able to enter the actual amounts paid. You will also reach a screen that allows you to adjust the scholarship amount for "amounts not awarded for 2021 expenses".
The 1098-T can (and should) be entered on both your and the student's return, with modifications, to facilitate reporting.
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
You have $1120 of taxable income
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
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There is a tax “loop hole” available. The student reports all his scholarship, up to the amount needed to claim the American Opportunity Credit (AOC), as income on his return. That way, the parents (or himself, if he is not a dependent) can claim the tuition credit on their return. They can do this because that much tuition was no longer paid by "tax free" scholarship. You cannot do this if the school’s billing statement specifically shows the scholarships being applied to tuition or if the conditions of the grant are that it be used to pay for qualified expenses.
Using an example: Student has $10,000 in box 5 of the 1098-T and $8000 in box 1. At first glance he/she has $2000 of taxable income and nobody can claim the American opportunity credit. But if she reports $6000 as income on her return, the parents can claim $4000 of qualified expenses on their return.
Books and computers are also qualifying expenses for the AOC. So, extending the example, the student had another $1000 in expenses for those course materials, paid out of pocket, she would only need to report $5000 of taxable scholarship income, instead of $6000.
Q. Do we really qualify for AOTC?
A. Yes. There are three things you can do with your Qualified educational expenses (QEE):
By allocating those expenses, and maybe paying a little tax on the 529 and/or the scholarship, you can claim the AOTC. You should be able to get the full $2500 AOTC by making more of his scholarship taxable
Q. .His 1099-Q went toward eligible room and board expenses ($10,285). Does it need to be reported at all?
A. No. You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, especially room & board (since R&B are only qualified for 529, and not scholarships & credits). When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
Q. How do I claim the $620 of scholarships? It seems to want to apply any of the options to my spouse or I. So how to I get it marked SCH?
A. You do not report taxable scholarship on your return. If any SCH is taxable, it goes on the student's return. You enter it in the educational/expenses and let TT calculate the taxable amount. Entering it there gets it on line 1 of form 1040 with the SCH code. That gets easier if you don't enter the 1099-Q on his return.
Q. Does it matter now or next year if the 1098-T is wrong and only has the Fall semester?
A. Yes. You gotta figure out the right numbers.
The 1098-T is only an informational document. The numbers on it are not required to be entered onto your tax return. You claim the tuition credit, or report scholarship income, based on your own financial records, not the 1098-T. In the 1098-T screen, click on the link "What if this is not what I paid the school" underneath box 1. You will then be able to enter the actual amounts paid. You will also reach a screen that allows you to adjust the scholarship amount for "amounts not awarded for 2021 expenses".
The 1098-T can (and should) be entered on both your and the student's return, with modifications, to facilitate reporting.
_________________________________________________________________________________________
Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
You have $1120 of taxable income
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
_____________________________________________________________________________________
There is a tax “loop hole” available. The student reports all his scholarship, up to the amount needed to claim the American Opportunity Credit (AOC), as income on his return. That way, the parents (or himself, if he is not a dependent) can claim the tuition credit on their return. They can do this because that much tuition was no longer paid by "tax free" scholarship. You cannot do this if the school’s billing statement specifically shows the scholarships being applied to tuition or if the conditions of the grant are that it be used to pay for qualified expenses.
Using an example: Student has $10,000 in box 5 of the 1098-T and $8000 in box 1. At first glance he/she has $2000 of taxable income and nobody can claim the American opportunity credit. But if she reports $6000 as income on her return, the parents can claim $4000 of qualified expenses on their return.
Books and computers are also qualifying expenses for the AOC. So, extending the example, the student had another $1000 in expenses for those course materials, paid out of pocket, she would only need to report $5000 of taxable scholarship income, instead of $6000.
Thank you for your response. I was able to complete my son's return and TT calculated the taxable amount of his scholarships. based on the 1098-T ($620). I then added additional scholarship income to his income section so that I have $4,000 available for AOTC on our return. On my return, do I adjust Box 5, Scholarships, on the 1098-T to reflect the $4000 that is now claimed as income elsewhere in order to get the full AOTC credit?
Q. On my return, do I adjust Box 5, Scholarships, on the 1098-T to reflect the $4000 that is now claimed as income elsewhere in order to get the full AOTC credit?
A. Simple answer: yes. There are two ways to do it. 1. Reduce the box 5 amount by enough (presumably $4620 in your case), so that box 1 is at least $4000 more than box 5, when you enter it on your return. Or 2. Just enter $4000 in box 1 and leave box 5 blank. . Lying to TurboTax to get it to do what you want does not constitute lying to the IRS. What you enter is not sent to the IRS
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