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Tax my 529 qualified distribution and take AOTC for less than $4000

First, Turbo Tax told me my 19 yo daughter can't be claimed as a dependent because she make more than $4300. So, in her return she indicated she can't be claimed as a dependent on another return.

 

She received a 1098-T for $2722, paid 139 in books, for total of 2861, and is a beneficiary of a 529 plan for the qualified 2861 (1099-Q line 1 = $2861, line 2 = $1172). Entering this in TurboTax, it put the 529 money as taxable to take the AOTC.

 

1. Since the totals are less than the $4000 available for calculating the AOTC, is Turbo Tax correct in allowing her to tax the 529 to take the credit?

2. In other income, it shows $1114 instead of $2861 or $1171.  How does it determine this amount?

3. I thought books were allowed for the AOTC, but Turbo Tax did not include the books in its calculation.  I tried another tax software, and it included the books.  Which program is correct? 

4. Does the $1114 go in the Michigan return line that asks if the 529 amount was included in AGI? 

 

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Hal_Al
Level 15

Tax my 529 qualified distribution and take AOTC for less than $4000

Let's first address the dependent issue.  19 y.o. who are full time students almost always are dependents, regardless of how much they make. 

There are two types of dependents, "Qualifying Children"(QC) and standard ("Qualifying Relative" in IRS parlance even though they don't have to actually be related). There is no income limit for a QC but there is an age limit, student status, a relationship test and residence test.

A child of a taxpayer can still be a “Qualifying Child” (QC) dependent, regardless of his/her income, if:

  1. He is under age 19, or under 24 if a full time student for at least 5 months of the year, or is totally & permanently disabled
  2. He did not provide more than 1/2 his own support. Scholarships are excluded from the support calculation
  3. He lived with the parent (including temporary absences such as away at school) for more than half the year

 

If that is the case, go thru the dependent interview again.  In particular answer that she lived with you all year.  Being away at college is only a temporary absence.  If she doesn't meet the QC rules,  then having more than $4300 of income will prevent her from being a Qualifying Relative dependent.

 

Hal_Al
Level 15

Tax my 529 qualified distribution and take AOTC for less than $4000

Q. 1. Since the totals are less than the $4000 available for calculating the AOTC, is Turbo Tax correct in allowing her to tax the 529 to take the credit?

A.2. Yes

 

Q .2. In other income, it shows $1114 instead of $2861 or $1171.  How does it determine this amount?

A.2. $1171 is the correct amount .  The math is: the non qualified portion of the distribution divided by the total distribution (determines taxable percentage) times the box 2 amount. So, in your case 100% of box 2 is $1171

 

Q. 3. I thought books were allowed for the AOTC, but Turbo Tax did not include the books in its calculation.  I tried another tax software, and it included the books.  Which program is correct? 

A. 3. Books are allowed if Required for attendance. TT gives you 2 boxes to enter book costs. Enter at Required.  A computer is (usually) also a qualified expense. 

 

Q. 4. Does the $1114 go in the Michigan return line that asks if the 529 amount was included in AGI? 

A. 4.  Yes. I'm not familiar with the MI program/tax rules. But, the answer to the question "was 529 amount  included in federal AGI" is yes.

 

More issues:

1. How much earned income does the student  have?  A  FT student under 24 is not eligible for the refundable portion of the AOTC unless she supports herself by working.

2. Does she have any scholarship (box 5 of the 1098-T)?  That will change her reportable income. 

3. You don't mention any room and board.  Room and board are qualified expenses for a 1099-Q (if she is a half time or more student), even if she lives at home. A computer is also a qualified expense. Surely she has $2861 of food expenses for the year.  If so, just don't enter the 1099-Q at all.  

When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms.  On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

You have $1120 of taxable income  

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

 

Tax my 529 qualified distribution and take AOTC for less than $4000

Thanks! Great feedback! 

1. She was not a FT student, but was "at least half time", so I think that factor, plus the excess of $4300 of income, is why she wasn't allowed as a dependent by TT.  Actually, I was impressed by TT on this as it was the only software that brought that to my attention.  The other programs didn't ask about income and allowed her as a dependent.

2. No scholarships.

3. Great point!  Yes, she did live at home.  I didn't even think to consider room and board expenses for that scenario.

 

I'm still not sure of why TT calculated the $1114 taxable income instead of $1171, and also didn't include books in education expenses.  It shows the books included in the summary, but not in the credit amount from form 8863.  There are 3 lines for books, and I tried each one just to see if anything changed, but it didn't.  I also cycled through the calculation section several times.  I'll try to zero everything out and step through the program again to see if that helps. 

 

Thanks for your help!

Tax my 529 qualified distribution and take AOTC for less than $4000

Update: I tried everything to get TurboTax to recognize books as a qualified AOTC expense on Form 8863 Line 27, but it still ignores it.  I tried entering an amount for books in all 3 areas offered in the education expense area, but all are ignored, even though the summary includes them.  It seems TurboTax is only including the amount from 1098-T in the 8863 AOTC calculation.  I tried in 3 other tax programs and they all included books  in their calculation, as I expected. I can't understand why TurboTax is not handling this the same.

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