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I had to go back to that section and hit edit and walk through all the questions on the student - then got to a screen " Education expenses used for a tax credit or deduction" it is asking how much of my sons expenses I was taking credit for on my taxes - it is prefilled as $10,000 !!!!
I set it to 0 and he got credit for all his expenses paid against his 529 above and beyond tuition and no longer was being charged taxes as an excess 529 withdrawl.
Talk about buried and just plain wrong.
There are three things you can do with your Qualified educational expenses (QEE):
Most people come out better (much better), first using QEE for the tuition Credit. The American Opportunity credit is 100% of the first $2000 of QEE and 25% of the next $2000. Usually. you want to set that box "Education expenses used for a tax credit or deduction" to $4000.
Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
You have $1120 of taxable income
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
Would I be eligible for the lifetime learning credit if I am in graduate school and I have income from capital gains and dividends, but no income from work?
I am not anyone's dependent, and my scholarships did not exceed my expenses (not even close!)
Thank you.
Yes, You can claim the credit if your income is from capital gain and dividends as long as you meet all the other requirements of the Lifetime learning credit.
The credit is a nonrefundable credit, A nonrefundable credit essentially means that the credit can reduce your tax liability to 0 but can't be used to increase your tax refund or to create a tax refund when you wouldn't have already had one
Great, how does one "delete them"? All I seem to be able to do is go back and edit the information but that doesn't help. I know I entered something incorrectly but it didn't let me go back and fix it, it just tells me that the tuition I paid with no grants isn't a net expense... Excuse me? Thousands of dollars out of pocket sure seem like a net expense to me...
I finally figured out that I can delete the student and try again. However, it still says that the amount I paid in tuition for my adult son doesn't qualify for a tax deduction. My main issue with this is that the "reasons" it gives don't apply to anything I entered. The only information is that "based on the information I entered"... but the information I entered shows that I paid tuition for my son out of my own pocket. If there is a valid reason for not being eligible, the software knows it but Turbo Tax refuses to provide any information. As far as I know, Turbo Tax is incorrect and that's the default answer when it can't figure out what went wrong. FYI, refusing to elaborate on why paying thousands of dollars in tuition isn't qualified is a good way to get long-time customers to try elsewhere next year.
Depending on whether your son's tuition would qualify for the American Opportunity Tax Credit or the Lifetime Learning Credit, take a look at the chart in the TurboTax help article below for the specific qualifications of each credit. Each credit has a different phase-out range based on your income where the credit is not allowed to be claimed. Your situation may be related to your income or to another qualification for claiming one of the credits.
@shfoos01 You actually haven't provided enough info, to us, that shows you qualify to claim the credit
What does "adult son" mean. You son must qualify as your dependent for you to claim the tuition credit based on his educational expenses and his 1098-T. Was he a half time or more student? Was ther other assistance (GI Bill, employer reimbursement)
For more help. please provide some numbers. What's in boxes 1 and 5 of the 1098-T. How much other qualified expenses (books, computers and other course materials) was entered?
Thank you for your answer but you seem to have misunderstood my comment. The software should tell ME why; I shouldn't have to go somewhere else to ask. If it's because of dependent status, the software should tell me. If I have already gotten all of the tax deductions allowed for my son, the software should tell me. Why would I have to go outside the software to find out why the software says the tuition I paid doesn't qualify; especially when the software knows EXACTLY why the tuition I paid doesn't qualify for a tax deduction. Basically what I get from TurboTax is "Hey, it doesn't qualify... I'm NOT going to tell you why, you just have to trust me blindly. If you want to know why, just go ask some strangers and give them a bunch of information about your personal situation and they can tell you. I know, but I'm just not going to tell you."
I've entered this form 3 times and IT never pops up any opportunity to add quaulifed education expenses not reported on the 1098-T. (i.e. computer) Very frustrating, what am I doing wrong? The internet has been zero help.
Thanks
To clarify
What is reported in Box 1 and Box 5?
Are you a dependent?
Go through the entire education interview until you reach a screen titled "Your Education Expenses Summary". Click edit next to the student's name. That should take you to a screen “Here’s your Education Summary”. Click edit next to “Other Education Expenses”. Answer yes when asked if you paid for books and materials (including a computer).
I found it, thank you so much!!
Hi!
Can you help me with my situation? TurboTax says I'm not qualified for educational credit.
My husband and I are filing jointly (married). In our family, I only have a job, and he is a student. My wage in box 1 in W2 is 84.5K. We paid 4.4K for my husband's education (he was a half-time graduate student). Why is our situation not qualifying for the Lifetime Learning Credit? Any ideas?
Thanks!
The Lifetime Learning Credit is a non-refundable credit which means it can only be used to lower your tax liability.
If your tax liability is "zero'ed out" by other credits, there would be nothing to apply it to.
You can check by looking at Schedule 3 line 3, that would list the Lifetime Learning Credit.
Next, look at your 1040 line 20. That is where the credit (as well as other credit on Schedule 3) would be listed. This is added to line 19 and brought down to line 21.
If line 21 is larger than line 18, this means your credits were more than your tax, so any remaining credit is "lost".
The tax return continues from there, perhaps adding "refundable credits" to get to the final tax owed or refund due.
HERE is how to look at your 1040 online
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