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I paid my daughters fall 2021 and spring 2022 all at once in dec. 2021. i got a 1098 from the college with the full amount I paid in dec. 2021 which was the fall 21 and spring 22.

i requested a withdrawal  just last week 3/1 from her 529 plan for that  same amount .

on my return it says I'm eligible to take either the lifetime learning credit or AOC but since i took out some from her 529 can i still take either of those credits? This is the first time I've had to do this

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MinhT1
Employee Tax Expert

education credits

You are correct. You cannot double dip by using the same education expenses to offset a 529 distribution and obtain education credits.

 

However, you cannot match the tuition you paid in 2021 with distributions from your 529 plan made in 2022.

 

So if you did not take out a 529 distribution in 2021, the tuition paid can be used for the AOTC or the LLC.

 

The problem is that the distribution you took in March 2022 has to be justified by tuition (or room and board) paid in 2022, otherwise their earnings portion will be taxable and subject to the 10% penalty.

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Hal_Al
Level 15

education credits

Q.   TT says I'm eligible to take either the lifetime learning credit or AOC but since i took out some from her 529 can i still take either of those credits? 

A. Yes, but you may have to pay a little tax on any otherwise qualified 529 distributions.  See example in long write-up below. 

 

But, you have a bigger problem.  To be qualified, a distribution from a 529 plan must occur in the same calendar year that the qualified expenses were paid. You cannot reimburse yourself, in 2022, for payments you made in 2021.  You have 60 days to put that money back into the 529 plan (calling it a "rollover").  Alternatively, you can use the March 1 distribution for 2022 expenses to make it qualified.  You may take the money out in advance of making payments as long as it's in the same year as the payments. 

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

You have $1120 of taxable income  

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

education credits

okay

so if i hold on to it and use it then towards fall 2022 tuition or room and board it won't be taxable?

education credits

If I take out withdrawals from the 529 and use it towards room and board and then the actual tuition fees/ books paid to the school use that to take the AOC or lifetime credit? Would that not be taxable that way?

i had no idea that when i opened this 529 that I would  not be able to take the education credits on tax return , i was thinking this was more like a savings account. I put after tax dollars in this account and to have to pay a penalty tax now on it , just seems crazy

Hal_Al
Level 15

education credits

Q.  So.  if I hold on to the distribution and use it to pay  fall 2022 tuition and/or room and board it won't be taxable?

A. Correct.  Remember to take less than the full tuition, as you (most likely) want to use some tuition (usually $4000) to claim the AOTC. 

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