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My dependent son (full time college student, age < 24 years) received 1098-T and 1099-Q on his name.
Total Fees paid to college : $13675.76 (Tuition/Lab - $7802; Room & Board : 5873.76)
1098T: Box 1 = $7802; Box 8 checked (at-least half-time student); All other box blank
1099Q: Box 1 = $9646.53
Questions I have. Thanks in advance for your inputs!
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Q1. Is my son required to file taxes, since he received a 1099-Q on his name?
A1. No. Not just for receiving a 1099-Q. If any of it is taxable, he needs to file (none will be, explained later)
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
Q2. I can input the 1098-T in MY (parent) tax return and claim the AOTC credit. Did I get it right?
A2. Yes. You can do so because he is your dependent. You must adjust the expenses used for the 1099-Q by any used for the AOTC. You still have enough, see below.
Q3. In TurboTax, under section "Deduction & Credits / Education / Form 1098-T", I guess, I should enter $7802? Right under Box 1, should I also click the link "What if this is not what was paid to this school" and enter $13675.76? Or this is not needed?
A3. Enter the 1098-T exactly as received. Don't bother to enter any other amounts (they're not needed). Any adjustment will occur on the student's return, since the 1099-Q is in his name (no adjustments will be needed, based on your numbers)
Q4. In TurboTax, under section "Deduction & Credits / Education / Form 1099-Q", should I answer "Yes" to question "Did you receive Form 1099-Q for distribution from a Coverdall ESA or qualified tuition plan" and enter the 1099-Q info? Or answer no, and do not enter the 1099-Q info at all?
A4. Answer no, and do not enter the 1099-Q info at all. It's not in your name and it's not needed.
You have $13,676 total qualified expenses. You will use $4000 (on your return) for the AOTC. That leaves $9676 to be used against the 1099-Q. That is more than the $9647 in box 1, so your son does not need to report the 1099-Q or file a tax return. Good Planning!
You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip!
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
You have $1120 of taxable income
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
Q1. Is my son required to file taxes, since he received a 1099-Q on his name?
A1. No. Not just for receiving a 1099-Q. If any of it is taxable, he needs to file (none will be, explained later)
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
Q2. I can input the 1098-T in MY (parent) tax return and claim the AOTC credit. Did I get it right?
A2. Yes. You can do so because he is your dependent. You must adjust the expenses used for the 1099-Q by any used for the AOTC. You still have enough, see below.
Q3. In TurboTax, under section "Deduction & Credits / Education / Form 1098-T", I guess, I should enter $7802? Right under Box 1, should I also click the link "What if this is not what was paid to this school" and enter $13675.76? Or this is not needed?
A3. Enter the 1098-T exactly as received. Don't bother to enter any other amounts (they're not needed). Any adjustment will occur on the student's return, since the 1099-Q is in his name (no adjustments will be needed, based on your numbers)
Q4. In TurboTax, under section "Deduction & Credits / Education / Form 1099-Q", should I answer "Yes" to question "Did you receive Form 1099-Q for distribution from a Coverdall ESA or qualified tuition plan" and enter the 1099-Q info? Or answer no, and do not enter the 1099-Q info at all?
A4. Answer no, and do not enter the 1099-Q info at all. It's not in your name and it's not needed.
You have $13,676 total qualified expenses. You will use $4000 (on your return) for the AOTC. That leaves $9676 to be used against the 1099-Q. That is more than the $9647 in box 1, so your son does not need to report the 1099-Q or file a tax return. Good Planning!
You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip!
_______________________________________________________________________________________
Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
You have $1120 of taxable income
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
Hal - Thanks much for your detailed response. I have few follow-up questions.
Total Fees paid directly to college : $13675.76 (Tuition/Lab - $7802; Room & Board : 5873.76)
Funding Source: $9646.53 from 529 distribution and $4029.23 OOP (checking account)
1098-T Box 1 only shows $7802 (since R&B is not qualified expense for AOTC)
1099-Q Box 1 shows $9646.53
I understand in my scenario, the 1099-Q distribution is not taxable, since after discounting $4000 for AOTC, the remaining $9676 > $9646 529 distribution. Hence, you suggest not to report the 1099-Q on MY return / my son's return (he anyways doesn't have any income from any source).
Given that IRS has a copy of the 1099-Q from the 529 company showing $9646 total distribution, how does IRS know that none of this $9646 is not taxable? Especially, since the 1098-T shows only $7802 and after adjusting for $4000 AOTC, it leaves only $3802 to adjust for $9646 in 529 distribution?
Also, how do I account for the $4029 in OOP expenses I paid to the college, in TurboTax?
Q. Given that IRS has a copy of the 1099-Q , how does IRS know that none of this $9646 is not taxable?
A. They don't. There is a risk of an IRS inquiry. But there's nothing you can do to prevent it. I tried and got an IRS inquiry anyway. I sent em a copy of the school statements. They went away. As stated earlier, When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. At least two users have reported receiving a CP2000 letter, from the IRS, on 529 distributions. They replied that their child was in college and the distributions were for qualified expenses, which they listed, but they did not provide receipts.. They later received a notices saying they were in the clear. We have noticed, here in this forum, that the number of 1099-Q notices, from the IRS has dropped off significantly in recent years.
Q. Also, how do I account for the $4029 in OOP expenses I paid to the college, in TurboTax?
A. You don't account for individual sources of educational funds. You account for the expenses, which you will have done, as described above. Not everything gets entered into TurboTax. Some info is kept in your backup records. You need to keep a copy of the above calculations, just in case.
Hi Hal - I know you mentioned early on that I need not enter 1099-Q on my tax return, since - (1) it is issued on my dependent son name and (2) Box 1 amount on 1099-Q is fully covered by remaining adjusted qualified education expenses (Tuition + R&B - $4000 AOTC).
From your other posts on this subject, I also see that you mentioned if a tax payer decides to enter the 1099-Q, TurboTax will generate the Form 1099-Q for tax payer records, but TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms filed to IRS.
So, just to have something for my records, I entered the 1099-Q info in TurboTax (Box 1 $9646). In addition to $7802 for tuition, I also entered the R&B expenses of $5873 in TurboTax 1098-T area under "other education expenses" section. Screen shot of TurboTax Education section below:
Now, TurboTax did generate Form 1099-Q. However it is showing a taxable amount of $751, instead of 0. I am confused now. Could you please help clarify? Screen shot extract of TurboTax From 1099-Q below:
To simply the matter,
You don't mention scholarship amounts (box 5 of the 1098-T). Based on the difference, between the 2 columns, on line 2c, of the 1099-Q worksheet, you entered $3803 (9676-5873) of scholarship (or some other adjustment). The student information worksheet shows more detail than the 1099-Q worksheet.
If the $751 is his only income, he is not required to file a tax return, as the amount is less than $1100.
You do not report his/her income on your return. If it has to be reported, at all, it goes on his own return. If your dependent child is under age 19 (or under 24 if a full time student), he or she must file a tax return for 2021 if he had any of the following:
1098-T only shows amount for Box 1.
Not sure, but it appears TurboTax is not calculating line 2c accurately - due to some reason it decided to deduct the entire $7802 tuition expense (instead of $4000), from $13675 total expense, and put the remaining $5873 on line 2c.
So, to avoid all this confusion, I am going with your original recommendation of not entering 1099-Q at all. TurboTax interview flow as well recommends the same (screen shot below) . I am going to click on "Skip" and move on. Thanks for all your inputs.
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