When I enter the 1099-Q amounts into TurboTax it is being recognized as taxable income. There is a section to enter expenses for "elementary and secondary" education but not for higher ed or college expenses. As a trial, I entered the college expenses into the "elementary and secondary" section and it zeroed the tax out. What should I do to make sure the expenses are being viewed as qualified educational expenses for college?
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If the expenses were for yourself, your spouse, or a dependent, then you should get a Form 1098-T for the college expenses. You can enter this along with the associated expenses in TurboTax:
If the education savings account withdrawal was not for yourself, your spouse, or your dependent, you would indicate that on the Form 1099-Q page by selecting Someone else not listed here under Who's the student? You will then be able to enter their expenses after choosing their proper education level.
Yes, If your student is your dependent, there is not place to enter colleges expenses in the 1099-Q portion of the TurboTax interview. As @RaifH said, you enter the 1098-T and other expenses, later in the Educational Expenses section. To get the screen to enter Room & Board, answer yes when asked if you have book expenses.
You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip!
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
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Qualified Tuition Plans (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions
General Discussion
It’s complicated.
For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q.
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.
You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit, that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.
Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q.
Example:
$10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)
-$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***
-$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit
=$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)
Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000
Box 2 is $2800
3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable
40% x 2800= $1120
You have $1120 of taxable income
**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip! When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.
On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution."
***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings.
Hello, I too have questions regarding the 1098T and 1099Qs. As the parent (s), our income is too high to qualify for any credits based off the 1098T entered into the parents' taxes. But when I enter the 1099Q under the student's taxes, we are getting taxed on it. The payments for tuition (box1) greatly exceed the scholarships/grants (box 5), and were all used for tuition expenses.
So, Do I need to enter the 1098T and /or the 1099Qs?? If I just don't include them on any of the taxes, will I be in trouble or at risk for audit?
Also, as another question, on the 1098T forms, there are boxes for gross distribution as well as earnings? is this because these investments have gained value over the years? It seems the taxes are taken off the earnings (box 2) part. Does this impact my above question?
If the 1099-Q was completely used on qualified expenses, don't enter it. If the 1098-T does not create income or education credit, it does not need to be entered. The 529 plan/ 1099Q investment has earned money throughout the investment period. If the gains were not used for qualified expenses, it would be taxable. Since they are being used on qualified expenses, they are not taxable so the form does not need to be entered.
The law changed and AOTC eligibility was increased. The phaseout for AOTC is:
Expenses paid for with the 529 are not eligible for credit. However, money paid out of pocket IS eligible. Example:
See Publication 970, Tax Benefits for Education.
@clareb
Q. Do I need to enter the 1098T and /or the 1099Qs?
A. No.
Q. If I just don't include them on any of the taxes, will I be in trouble or at risk for audit?
A. No. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. It will only prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. The worksheet is not sent to the IRS. We've noted a significant drop, here in this forum, of users being contacted by the IRS over unreported 1099-Qs.
Q. Also, as another question, on the 1098T forms, there are boxes for gross distribution as well as earnings? is this because these investments have gained value over the years? It seems the taxes are taken off the earnings (box 2) part.
A. Yes, if anything is taxable, it's a portion of the box 2 amount not the box 1 amount. But that only happens if the box 1 amount was not fully used for qualified expenses. Room & board are also qualified expenses for a 529 distribution.
This is our exact same scenario, calreb.
If you are the parents claiming a student as a dependent and you don't qualify for a credit,
don't enter the 1099-Q if it was used to pay education expenses including Room and Board
don't enter the 1098-T into your program since you don't qualify for a credit
If the 1098-T shows the student needs to claim income, enter the amount the student needs to claim as income on the students 1040 line 1.
Apply the distribution to expenses that don't qualify for a credit first, such as room and board.
Then apply to expenses not listed on the 1098-T such as books and supplies.
Apply any remainder to Box 1 of the 1098-T by subtracting it out.
Subtract the remaining tuition expenses from the scholarship. That is the income the student would need to claim.
If there is more expense than scholarship or other financial aid, there is no taxable income for the student to claim.
You CAN enter the forms in your TurboTax program if you want the program to do the math.
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