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Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

I am using Turbtax Delux to help my daughter for 1099-Q and1099-T on her tax return.  She is 1099-Q and 1099-T recipient.  After 1099-Q input, there is no way for her to input  1099-T saying she may be claimed as other's dependent.

Can you please help? 

Thanks a lot. 

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Hal_Al
Level 15

Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

Q. Can I  let kid file tax return by herself to get education credit? 

A.  Yes and No.  

 Unless she is over age 23 or her W-2 earnings are more than half her support or she is not a full time student, she is not eligible for the refundable portion  of the American Opportunity Credit.

If she has a tax liability, she can claim a non-refundable credit, if you forgo claiming her as a dependent (and the $500 other dependent credit). In TurboTax, she indicates that she CAN be claimed as a dependent but will not actually be claimed. 

 

Q. Can medical school application and preparation course etc fee be accounted as expense for education credit?

A. Yes and No.  The application fee can be counted, if it was paid in the same year that the the student was enrolled in classes.  The preparation course fee can not be counted, unless it was taken at the same school or another "eligible institution".  Grad students are not eligible for the American Opportunity Credit, but can claim the less generous Lifetime Learning Credit.

 

 

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Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

If all the 1099-Q was paid to the school and used for qualifying education expenses  AND she is a dependent on her parent's return then she doesn't need to enter either the 1099-Q or the 1099-T on her return if she is filing one.   Just one of those little known quirks of the income tax laws that is not clearly posted.  

Hal_Al
Level 15

Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

Just don't enter either the 1099-Q or 1098-T, on her return. They are only any informational documents. The numbers on them are not required to be entered onto her tax return.  You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax (TT) will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms.  But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. 

You will have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you (the parent) to claim the tuition credit. 

 

If you insist on entering it, TT will let you enter the 1098-T, later at the Educational Expenses section of the program (even after it tells you she isn't eligible for a credit).  But it's complicated and mistakes are easily made.

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit (on the parent's return)

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (usually on the student’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

You have $1120 of taxable income  

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

 

 

 

Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

Thanks a lot for reply. 

But it seems my 2021 TurboTax Delux does not give me the option to input 1099-T.  We are doing another college kid's tax return without 1099 input.  It gave the same message" Somebody else can claim you as a dependent on their return".  

Can you please help again?

Thanks alot. 

 

 

Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

@jinghai2001 

 

As already mentioned ... you don't have to enter either form if the taxpayer is a dependent on another return  especially if all of the 1099-Q distribution was used properly.  So stop trying to fill in a form that is not needed.  

Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

Thx for reply. 

But she is required to file her own tax return since she has w2 income and we did not pay her tuition  We were able to input 1098-T last year.  But not this year.  

Is it a way she can do it this year?

Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

If she is claimed as a dependent then anything you put in on the 1098-T screen is ignored on the return so there is no reason to enter it at all.  The parents claiming the child will use the 1098-T on their return.   

Hal_Al
Level 15

Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

Yes, you should be able to enter the 1098-T and related expenses. Just click CONTINUE at the screen "Let's Check This Entry", where it tells you the dependent student can't claim a credit.  You should get the full education interview.  Enter the 1099-Q before you try to enter the 1098-T, so it knows you have a 529 distribution. 

 

If that doesn't work, reply back, there are workarounds.  But, again, the best workaround is to is to just not report the 529 distribution.  Why do you think you need to enter the 1098-T?

 

If she is your dependent, she cannot normally claim a tuition credit.  But, if the student actually has a tax liability, there is a provision to allow her to claim a non-refundable tuition credit. But then the parent must forgo claiming the student as a dependent, and the $500 other dependent credit.  The student must still indicate that she can be claimed as a dependent, on her return. This is worth up to $2500 (AOTC shifts to all non refundable).

 

Since she is your dependent, you are allowed to claim the tuition credit, even if you did not pay her tuition.  

There's even a loop hole available for the parents to claim the credit, if the student is on scholarship and/or has a 529 plan. 

Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

@jinghai2001 is it possible that the 2020 tax return didn't maximize the credits available (since the 1098-T was posted on the student's tax return)?  and it's being perpetuated in 2021????? just a thought. 

Hal_Al
Level 15

Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

Q. Is it possible that the 2020 tax return didn't maximize the credits available (since the 1098-T was posted on the student's tax return)? 

A. Yes. Based on what little you've already described, that's almost certain. 

 

Q. And it's being perpetuated in 2021?

A. No. Nothing about the the 2020 amounts carries over to 2021. Nor does TT lock you into how you did it the previous year.

 

For more specific help,  you need to explain what you're trying to do. The parent should (almost always) claim the education credit ("claim the 1098-T") on their return, even if the student has to pay some tax on their scholarship and/or the 529 distribution. 

 

There are three things you can do with your Qualified educational expenses (QEE):

  1. Allocate then to scholarships (so that the scholarship remains tax free)
  2. Use them to claim an education credit
  3. Allocate them to the 529 distribution (1099-Q) so that it will not all be taxable

TurboTax usually allocates QEE, in that order, until you tell it otherwise.

 

Provide the following info for more specific help:

  • Are you the student or parent.
  • Is the  student  the parent's dependent.
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T
  • box 5 of the 1098-T
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of the 1099-Q
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B charge. If the student lives at home, only the school's board charge for on campus students. 
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
  • How much taxable income does the student have and from what sources (just W-2 or is there other income)?
  • Are you trying to claim the tuition credit (are you not eligible because of high income)?
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student?

Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

Thanks a lot for helping.   I went through a couple of times of updating 1098-T and full interview of Education.  Turbotax does not give me 1098-T input. 

Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

@jinghai2001  

I think there may be a fundamental misunderstanding as I read back through this thread

 

1) even if your child has W-2 income, it doesn't necessarily mean they are NOT your dependent.  In most all cases, a college student remains your dependent, even if they earn some money.

2) if the student / child is your dependent, then the 1098-T MUST be posted on YOUR tax return; it can't be posted on the student's tax return

 

please read back through the entire thread again, 

Hal_Al
Level 15

Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

@NCperson said "if the student / child is your dependent, then the 1098-T MUST be posted on YOUR tax return". That may be  an over simplification.  

 

I think what you mean to say is: If the student is your dependent, the student cannot claim a Tuition credit. Only the parent can claim the credit, If they otherwise qualify (income not too high).  The parent should enter the 1098-T on their return.  However, if the student has taxable scholarship and/or needs to calculate/report a portion of a 529 plan distribution as taxable, she also needs to enter the 1098-T (with any adjustments for amounts used by the parent) to make those calculations.  Instead, the numbers can be entered, in TT, without a 1098-T, but that's not intuitive. 

Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

@jinghai2001 - it would really help if you responded to @Hal_Al questions: 

 

Provide the following info for more specific help:

  • Are you the student or parent.
  • Is the  student  the parent's dependent.
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T
  • box 5 of the 1098-T
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of the 1099-Q
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B charge. If the student lives at home, only the school's board charge for on campus students. 
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
  • How much taxable income does the student have and from what sources (just W-2 or is there other income)?
  • Are you trying to claim the tuition credit (are you not eligible because of high income)?
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student?

Urgent 1099-Q and 1099-T Question

Thanks a lot for helping @Hal_Al @NCperson .

Sorry, I might make it very confusing. I have two cases. Parent income is too high to claim any education credit.

1. One kid with 1099-Q and 1098-T. The name of 1099 Q and 1098 T goes to kid.  Kid has w-2  and 1099-Q has earnings.  So can I   let kid file tax return by herself to get education credit? 

2. The other kid no 1099-Q , with 1098-T and huge amount of medical school application and preparation course etc fee not on 1098-T and w2.  Can medical school application and preparation course etc fee be accounted as expense for education credit?

 

Thanks a lot. 

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