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I see it, thank you!
What should I be doing to offset that IL doesn't tax disability income? Or should we be paying state tax on it?
eg the 2767.70, we'll be paying 5% on this, should we be paying state tax on it? It's a 1099-R with a Distribution code of 3 in Box 7. IL does not require state tax on disability income, unclear how to factor in the fact that I think we shouldn't pay tax on this income?
I am sorry to say I do not know how you would offset this on your IL return.
Would it be fair to add 5% of the gross distribution amount to the additional withholdings for IL? That would effectively make it so we're not paying additional state tax on the disability income? From what I've read IRD should we should be paying tax on as if the decedent were still alive, meaning no state tax.
I suppose that would be fine, although I think it would be better if you could find some spot on the return to disclose the fact that the income is not taxable.
Not sure how to do that with reporting the income as IRD, not seeing any options to report it as anything else other than ordinary income.
@hybridtaxguy wrote:
Not sure how to do that with reporting the income as IRD, not seeing any options to report it as anything else other than ordinary income.
I was thinking you could report the income and then subtract it out as "Other subtractions" (net zero).
2021 Desktop, where can I find "Other subtractions"? Seems reasonable if I can have it only go against state, I can try it out. Is "Other subtractions" buried in another menu?
@hybridtaxguy wrote:
Is "Other subtractions" buried in another menu?
I think it is on Schedule M for Illinois. You might want to look through your state return section and see if you can locate that area of the return.
Regardless of the year in which you physically received the 1099R, you should declare the income on the return for the year for which it is specified as income (which should be specified on the form itself as a 1099R for tax year 2020 or 2021). If her 2020 return was already filed and this is a Tax Year (TY) 2020 1099R listing income that was not declared on that return, technically you are supposed to file an amended return for 2020.
There are other issues if this is a 2021 disability payment erroneously made for a time period after her death (example for Jan 2021 when she already died in 2020). If she (or her estate) received a Jan 2021 social security disability payment and she died the month before, her estate is actually supposed to refund that payment back to the government. Normally as soon as her date of death is reported to the Social Security Administration (by you, the funeral home, medical examiner, or normally from a combination of these), the SSA is normally quite aggressive about quickly identifying funds they dispersed after the person's death and contacting the financial institution where the funds were deposited to claw back all or a prorated portion of the deposit. I experienced this personally with a social security deposit made into my late father's account about five days after his death. Even though I had reported his death to the SSA within two days, the SSA had already initiated the payment for the next month. Within a week they clawed it back. This might have failed if you had already spent the funds for funeral expenses or other estate expenses and the balance was possibly insufficient or if there was a delay in the SSA being notified of your mom's death.
@TimHedrick wrote:
.....this is a Tax Year (TY) 2020 1099R listing income....
That would be a bit odd since @hybridtaxguy's mother passed away in December of 2020, the income was received in 2021, and the 1099-R was received in 2022.
Agreed, plus, with disability income or social security, etc. You start getting payments the month after you apply. Eg, if someone passed in July, their still entitled to the payment in Aug. Say they applied in March and are eligible in March, their first payment doesn't come until April. It's always paying in arrears. Most people don't know when a social security payment is clawed back, the beneficiaries are still entitled to that money. (assuming death was reported at the proper time, etc)
I've scoured and searched for a schedule M within the state taxes section.
I'd love to be able to add the credit to offset the state tax for the 1099-R. I have not been able to find out how to do this without adding withholdings, but as pointed out that doesn't seem like a good method.
Anyone know how to edit the schedule M for IL?
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