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Level 5

Question

Error in Form 2210 Turbotax 2021

Forum|Forum|4 years ago
February 17, 2022
9 replies
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Turbo tax 2021 (CD version) has an error in Form 2210 that was just released today (2/17/22). Form 2210, line 10, box (a) is supposed to transfer the number from Form 2210 AI line 27, box (a), but instead transfers the number from 2210 AI line 27, box (b) . The effect of this error is to put the tax due for all the income through May 31 into the place that should just include the tax due on the income through March 31 which, when compared against withholding and estimated taxes paid through April 15, shows that an apparent underpayment has occurred. This would not be the case if the correct information from form 2210 AI line 27, box (a) was transferred to Form 2210 line 10, box (a), rather it would show that an over payment was made . Running the Federal Tax smart check does not catch the error and it is not possible to correct Form 2210 line 10 manually via forms option. How do I get Turbotax 2021 Form 2210 corrected so I can file my taxes without paying unnecessary underpayment penalty? What good is Turbotax's accuracy guarantee if it doesn't cover Turbotax errors like this?

Tax4fpAuthor

Level 5

Minor correction to my previous message.

Turbotax 2021 is incorrectly filling Form 2210 line 10, box (a) from Form 2210AI line 21, box (b) rather than Form 2210AI line 27, box (a).

Tax4fpAuthor

Level 5

Latest TT update on 2/24/22 has fixed the error with Form 2210 line 10 box (a). Line 10 now matches Form 2210AI line 27. This has eliminated the bogus underpayment that TT previously calculated. However, the step by step page for entering annualized withholding still shows incorrect date (7/15/2021) in second and third periods: should be 6/15/2021.

bbakercpa

Level 4

Agreed... but TT did not fix the error on Form 2210 line 11(a) as it does not pick up from the Tax Payments worksheet line 6, Overpayments applied to 2021, in the federal tax column. Therefore the total taxes paid on the Tax Payments worksheet line 21, does not equal the total of line 11 from 2210.

gwagner53

Level 2

What do you know! I've got EXACTLY the same problem with the online version. I've spent a lot of time on the phone, with no results to show for it.

There's no point filing my return if it incorrectly shows I owe a penalty, so I'm kind of in limbo.

I guess there are always the IRS free fillable forms if you get desperate.

CarissaM

Level 15

This is an issue Turbo Tax is currently working on.

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bbakercpa

Level 4

Ok so I finally took the time to go through some of the posts and try out a few experiments . And yes form 2210 yes is very messed up and still remains unfixed. But their error are so bad that TT also has screwed up the Underpayment Penalty worksheet as well so that in certain cases the two screw ups cancel can each other out.

They 100% DO NOT account for Using the 2020 refund being applied to the Q1 estimated taxes on form 2210 . But magically a payment from the 2020 refund does get applied to the Underpayment penalty worksheet .

Below is a fictional case after messing around with some numbers when trying to calculate some fake penalties to see what TT would do

In this example

Form 2210 line 10 A is set at $49,431

Form 2210 Line 11 A -is set INCORRECTLY show $43963 of total first quarter taxes paid and does not factor in the $3500 applied from last years refund. Box 11 SHOULD be $47463

So after the subtraction Form 2210 line 17 says the underpayment that is owed is $5468 which is $3500 to high .

But when you go and look at how TT transfers this information to the underpayment calculation worksheet.

Line 17 and line 10 transfer over as is to the Required installment and underpayment section

But then magically a line for the $3500 from the previous years taxes is also transferred some how on top of the incorrect number from box 11A . Now the correct underpayment of only $1968 is what is used to calculated interest on and not the incorrect value of $5468 . So Form 2210 is wrong bu them penalty in the end is correct in this case.

At this point I have no faith in turbo tax fixing any of this ... Maybe we can file a class action law suite and charge them for all of the false underpayment penalty's

Two updates this week... installed the latest this morning. Neither one fixed the error between the Tax Payment Worksheet and form 2210. Line 20 on the Tax Payment Worksheet includes my refund carryover from 2020 to 2021, however, on form 2210 line 11a does not include the refund credit. Almost two months since first reported and still no fix. My only solution, override line 11a on form 2210.

bbakercpa

Level 4

I posted a similar message on the TT mint board. The errors go even deeper. If you have a federal tax refund from 2020 that you applied to your 2021 taxes on the Tax Payments Worksheet, that amount is not picked up by TT's form as 'taxes paid'. Forms 2210 and 2210AI and Tax Payments Worksheet are not in sync. As you stated, lines 10(a) and 11(a) on the 2201 are in error... in addition to the error referencing line 27 from 2210AI.

eagle3man

Level 2

I have been using Turbo Tax for more than 30 years and this is the first time I ever had to file Form 2210 and at no point in the year was I underwitheld when both normal witholding and estimated payments were made and combined. This same error apparently occured in the down-loaded version (without CD). Very frustrated as Its imposssible to adress this issue "live" with a technical suppost person. I guess I should expect a problem like this once every 30 years when you only pay $100 to have a semi-complex return completed by a third party.

WJY0109

Level 2

Since we're all here to help, I see two options. Option 1 would be to go to 'VIEW' at the top of the Turbo Tax page. Find the Form you need, right click on the line to be corrected and override will appear and make the correction that way. Option 2 would be to call the Turbo Tax Help line and ask if a Representative could manually take over your computer and see if they can assist in fixing the problem. Good Luck!

Tax4fpAuthor

Level 5

TT update on 3/3/22 did not fix any of the errors in Form 2210. Still not calculating line 14 (a)-(c) on Form 2210AI correctly and still using the wrong dates in step by step for annualizing withholding. 2021 TT Form 22210 is a piece of junk that TT isn't making any effort to fix and TT 100% accuracy guarantee isn't worth anything so they don't even try.

Tax4fpAuthor

Level 5

Even though the 3/3/22 TT update didn't correct any of the errors in multiple lines of Form 2210, it did something so that IRS now accepts the return. Since both the correct and incorrect Form 2210 numbers showed that I didn't owe any underpayment penalty, I just let it go through and annotated my copy of printed return to highlight the errors in case the IRS ever questions the return. 2021 TT Form 2210 is still an error filled piece of junk and I'll use something else next year because they don't seem to care to issue a quality product.

Linda131

Level 2

Im having the same problem and the link to get an email when the form is fixed was no longer working.

bbakercpa

Level 4

Agreed... there was a new update today and it did not fix the form 2210 error where total estimated payments from the Tax Payments Worksheet is properly carried over to the 2210.

eeebee2

Level 2

Similar problem ....

Does not apply last year's excess tax applied to this year at all in figuring penalty. IRS says to count it as a 4/15 payment, which would put it in column a.

in addition, I made two estimated payments by check in the period between April 15 and June 15. It did not combine them and include them in the 6/15 payment column b.

I have been able to override the entries, but TT considers it an error on my part. Quite the contrary.

Both errors on TTax mess up the penalty section of this form.

bbakercpa

Level 4

Two months since I first reported and spoke to TT representatives about issues with form 2210. They seem unable to fix these issues this year.

slcasner

Level 2

When I clicked the QuickZoom to the Underpayment Penalty Worksheet at the bottom of Form 2210 in Forms Mode I saw that the amount of 2020 refund applied to 2021 tax liability was applied partially for each of the first, second and third installments, listed as a payment with date 4/15/21. In each installment table the portion of the applied refund amount that is shown is just what's needed to meet the liability for that installment. The heading for each installment table shows an underpayment amount the same as on the 2210 Part III line 17 even though there is no underpayment due to the applied refund. The result for my return shows no penalty. This worksheet is only a "Keep for your records" form, it's not included with the filed return.

I went ahead and filed with the incorrect numbers on Form 2210, hoping that the IRS does the penalty calculation correctly to assess no penalty.

laurielewis64

Level 2

What is TurboTax going to do to fix my form and get me the rest of my money??????

disciple_dave

Level 2

I made an error in my 2020 MO state tax ,form, indicating a $2000 estimated tax payment from a $1000 2019 MO state tax excess payment rollover to 2020 MO state tax. This appeared as a $900 overpayment for 2020, which I applied to my 2021 estimated tax. This turned out to be an underpayment of my 2020 submittal, but now indicated a $900 estimated tax payment for 2021, which is in error (does not exist)

Now I don't know how to correct the 2021 MO state tax form, to remove the $900 within the TurboTax Delux program.