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Earned income credit and hobby income

Hello, helping my homeless friend do his 2018 taxes. In 2015 and 2016, he had small W2 and hobby income which got him a nice earned income credit. In 2018, hobby income does not seem to count toward earned income credit.  Did something change?  Am I doing something wrong.  He needs this to buy a scooter to get to work.  Help!

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Earned income credit and hobby income

Hobby income is never earned income.

 

Self-employment income is earned income. In order to be considered self-employed, the person must be “engaged in an ongoing trade or business.“ To be engaged in an ongoing trade or business means that you perform the activity regularly, with the expectation of earning a profit, that you advertise and promote your business and take other steps that a regular business takes in order to remain profitable.  A hobby is something that is done mainly for personal pleasure, with no particular regularity or expectation of profit, even though a profit may occasionally be made.

 

If you are engaged in a hobby, you still must report taxable income if you make money.  You are not allowed to deduct your expenses, but you are not subject to the additional 15% tax for self-employment. If you are engaged in a business, you are allowed to deduct your ordinary and necessary business expenses from your gross income to reduce your taxable profit, but you must also pay the additional 15% self-employment tax.

 

A hobby is not considered income earned from working and it’s not eligible for the earned income credit. Additionally, if a person has $3000 or more of unearned income (which includes hobbies, lottery prizes and investments) then they are disqualified from EIC even if they have income earned from working a W-2 job.

 

So a person with hobby income might be ineligible for EIC because they do not have enough earned income (earned from working) or because or because they have too much unearned income.  

If you leave off the hobby income in order for a W-2 job to qualify a person for EIC, that is tax fraud. Likewise, reporting hobby income as if it was self-employment income in order to qualify for EIC is also tax fraud. If the person is audited, they could face repayment of the EIC with interest and penalties and an automatic two-year ban from further EIC.

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Earned income credit and hobby income

here are the requirements for EIC in 2018

 

https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1899157-what-are-the-qualifications-for-the-earned-income-credit-e...

 

why do you think hobby income is not count towards the credit? 

 

 

you didn't mention his age or whether there are dependent children, so please read this part carefully (it's in  the link) .  Is this the issue? 

 

 

 if you're not claiming a qualifying child:

  • You (or your jointly filing spouse) must have been born on or after January 1, 1954; and
  • You (or your jointly filing spouse) must have been born on or before December 31, 1993; and
  • You (and your jointly filing spouse) cannot be claimed as a qualifying child or dependent on anyone else's return.

Earned income credit and hobby income

It should be earned income. I would think that this is an input in the software somewhere.

Earned income credit and hobby income

Also need help with this. Does anyone know the answer?

Earned income credit and hobby income

Hobby income is never earned income.

 

Self-employment income is earned income. In order to be considered self-employed, the person must be “engaged in an ongoing trade or business.“ To be engaged in an ongoing trade or business means that you perform the activity regularly, with the expectation of earning a profit, that you advertise and promote your business and take other steps that a regular business takes in order to remain profitable.  A hobby is something that is done mainly for personal pleasure, with no particular regularity or expectation of profit, even though a profit may occasionally be made.

 

If you are engaged in a hobby, you still must report taxable income if you make money.  You are not allowed to deduct your expenses, but you are not subject to the additional 15% tax for self-employment. If you are engaged in a business, you are allowed to deduct your ordinary and necessary business expenses from your gross income to reduce your taxable profit, but you must also pay the additional 15% self-employment tax.

 

A hobby is not considered income earned from working and it’s not eligible for the earned income credit. Additionally, if a person has $3000 or more of unearned income (which includes hobbies, lottery prizes and investments) then they are disqualified from EIC even if they have income earned from working a W-2 job.

 

So a person with hobby income might be ineligible for EIC because they do not have enough earned income (earned from working) or because or because they have too much unearned income.  

If you leave off the hobby income in order for a W-2 job to qualify a person for EIC, that is tax fraud. Likewise, reporting hobby income as if it was self-employment income in order to qualify for EIC is also tax fraud. If the person is audited, they could face repayment of the EIC with interest and penalties and an automatic two-year ban from further EIC.

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