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Ponzi Investment Schemes losses with10% early withdrawal penalty

Can Ponzi Investment Schemes losses qualify for 401K or IRA 10% early withdrawal penalty' exception or reduction? Please advise. Thank you!

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JBedford
Employee Tax Expert

Ponzi Investment Schemes losses with10% early withdrawal penalty

Hi, @eel168 , thanks for the question! Since the 10% early withdrawal penalty only applies to distributions from retirements savings, this penalty would not apply to an investment loss. Hope this helps, please let me know if not! 

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Ponzi Investment Schemes losses with10% early withdrawal penalty

TurboTax does not support ponzi-scheme situations.

Under the IRS rules, an investor in a Ponzi scheme is entitled to deduct his or her losses as a theft loss, instead of a capital loss from an investment. This is good for the investors because the deduction for capital losses from investments is normally limited to a maximum of $3,000 per year.

The IRS provides two items of guidance to help taxpayers who are victims of losses from Ponzi-type investment schemes.

  • Revenue Ruling 2009-9 provides guidance on determining the amount and timing of losses from these schemes, which is difficult and dependent on the prospect of recovering the lost money (which may not become known for several years).

  • Revenue Procedure 2009-20 simplifies compliance for taxpayers by providing a safe-harbor means of determining the year in which the loss is deemed to occur and a simplified means of computing the amount of the loss.  
To enter casualty losses and again TT does not support the beneficial ponzi scheme rules. so you may want to find another preparer in your area who you can meet face to face.  Ask them first if they have experience with this situation.  

I sure hope this has helped.

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JandKit
Employee Tax Expert

Ponzi Investment Schemes losses with10% early withdrawal penalty

Hi eel168!

Thank you for this question. Let me add my thoughts to those of others who may have rendered answers to this question. With the advent of Secure Act 2.0, which expands the early withdrawal exceptions, not with standing Crypto Currency schemes, there are no exceptions foravoiding the 10% penalty for early withdrawal.

To be clear, here are the exceptions currently allowed:

These exceptions to the 10% early withdrawal penalty were in effect prior to the SECURE 2.0 Act. They cannot be repaid unless indicated.

  • Death or permanent disability of the account owner
  • A series of substantially equal periodic payments for the life of the account holder or the joint lives of the account holder and designated beneficiary
  • Unreimbursed medical expenses that exceed 7.5% of adjusted gross income
  • Up to $5,000 for expenses related to the birth or adoption of a child; can be repaid within three years
  • Distributions taken by an account holder on active military reserve duty; can be repaid up to two years after end of active duty
  • Distributions due to an IRS levy on the account
  • (IRA only) Up to $10,000 lifetime for a first-time homebuyer to buy, build, or improve a home
  • (IRA only) Health insurance premiums if unemployed
  • (IRA only) Qualified higher education expenses

Lost Opportunity
An early retirement plan withdrawal could end up costing more than you might imagine, even without the 10% penalty. Income taxes will reduce the present value of the withdrawal, and you will lose the potential long-term growth on the amount withdrawn.

New Exceptions

The SECURE 2.0 Act added the following exceptions to the 10% early withdrawal penalty. Withdrawals covered by these exceptions can be repaid within three years. If the repayment is made after the year of the distribution, an amended return would have to be filed to obtain a refund of any taxes paid.

  • Disaster relief — up to $22,000 for expenses related to a federally declared disaster; distributions can be included in gross income equally over three years (effective for disasters on or after January 26, 2021)
  • Terminal illness — defined as a condition that will cause death within seven years as certified by a physician (effective 2023)
  • Emergency expenses — one distribution of up to $1,000 per calendar year for personal or family emergency expenses; no further emergency distributions allowed during three-year repayment period unless funds are repaid or new contributions are at least equal to the withdrawal (effective 2024)
  • Domestic abuse — the lesser of $10,000 (indexed for inflation) or 50% of the account value for an account holder who certifies that he or she has been the victim of domestic abuse during the preceding one-year period (effective 2024)

Goodluck to you!

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rschule1
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Ponzi Investment Schemes losses with10% early withdrawal penalty

Hi There:

 

It reads as though you might have taken money out of a retirement plan to invest in the scheme. I hope not, but if this is the case,  then a a Ponzi investment will not not prevent an early withdrawal penalty.  For easy reference, the below link offers an easy guide to the penalty exception rules.

 

 Penalty exceptions 

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