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luxtaloo
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How do I enter a 1099-Q? The help section doesn't help as it states all I have to do is click on the jump to link, but that link doesn't exist...

 
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How do I enter a 1099-Q? The help section doesn't help as it states all I have to do is click on the jump to link, but that link doesn't exist...

If you know your 1099-Q (box 1) is covered, by enough expenses, just don't enter it in TT.

Hal_Al
Level 15

How do I enter a 1099-Q? The help section doesn't help as it states all I have to do is click on the jump to link, but that link doesn't exist...

You do not enter it in the income section of TurboTax (TT).  

In TurboTax (TT), enter at:

Federal Taxes Tab (Personal for H&B version)

Deductions & Credits

-Scroll down to:

--Education

  --Education Expenses and Scholarships

  --ESA and 529 Qualified Tuition Programs (1099-Q)

 

You can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. You also cannot count expenses that were paid by tax free scholarships. You cannot double dip! 

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

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Qualified Tuition Plans  (QTP 529 Plans) Distributions

General Discussion

It’s complicated.

For 529 plans, there is an “owner” (usually the parent), and a “beneficiary” (usually the student dependent). The "recipient" of the distribution can be either the owner or the beneficiary depending on who the money was sent to. When the money goes directly from the Qualified Tuition Plan (QTP) to the school, the student is the "recipient". The distribution will be reported on IRS form 1099-Q. 
The 1099-Q gets reported on the recipient's return.** The recipient's name & SS# will be on the 1099-Q.
Even though the 1099-Q is going on the student's return, the 1098-T should go on the parent's return, so you can claim the education credit. You can do this because he is your dependent.

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.
But be aware, you can not double dip. You cannot count the same tuition money, for the tuition credit,  that gets him an exclusion from the taxability of the earnings (interest) on the 529 plan. Since the credit is more generous; use as much of the tuition as is needed for the credit and the rest for the interest exclusion. Another special rule allows you to claim the tuition credit even though it was "his" money that paid the tuition.
In addition, there is another rule that says the 10% penalty is waived if he was unable to cover the 529 plan withdrawal with educational expenses either because he got scholarships or the expenses were used (by him or the parents) to claim the credits. He'll have to pay tax on the earnings, at his lower tax rate (subject to the “kiddie tax”), but not the penalty.

 

Total qualified expenses (including room & board) less amounts paid by scholarship less amounts used to claim the Tuition credit equals the amount you can use to claim the earnings exclusion on the 1099-Q. 
Example:
  $10,000 in educational expenses(including room & board)

   -$3000 paid by tax free scholarship***

   -$4000 used to claim the American Opportunity credit

 =$3000 Can be used against the 1099-Q (on the recipient’s return)

 

Box 1 of the 1099-Q is $5000

Box 2 is $2800

3000/5000=60% of the earnings are tax free; 40% are taxable

40% x 2800= $1120

There is  $1120 of taxable income (on the recipient’s return)

 

**Alternatively; you can just not report the 1099-Q, at all, if your student-beneficiary has sufficient educational expenses, including room & board (even if he lives at home) to cover the distribution. You would still have to do the math to see if there were enough expenses left over for you to claim the tuition credit. Again, you cannot double dip!  When the box 1 amount on form 1099-Q is fully covered by expenses, TurboTax will enter nothing about the 1099-Q on the actual tax forms. But, it will prepare a 1099-Q worksheet for your records, in case of an IRS inquiry.

On form 1099-Q, instructions to the recipient reads: "Nontaxable distributions from CESAs and QTPs are not required to be reported on your income tax return. You must determine the taxability of any distribution." 

***Another alternative is have the student report some of his scholarship as taxable income, to free up some expenses for the 1099-Q and/or tuition credit. Most people come out better having the scholarship taxable before the 529 earnings. 

How do I enter a 1099-Q? The help section doesn't help as it states all I have to do is click on the jump to link, but that link doesn't exist...

I have been trying to understand the 1099-Q and 1098-T and where to enter them - saw one post that said to enter both on parents tax form.   Your post says to enter the 1099-Q on kids tax form and only the 1098-T on parents.
I see you copy the same overview into each post.  I am not understanding what you mean by this?  What do you mean by "claim the tuition credit"   and "claim 529 plan earnings exclusion"  are these specific forms you are referencing?

You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit.

Hal_Al
Level 15

How do I enter a 1099-Q? The help section doesn't help as it states all I have to do is click on the jump to link, but that link doesn't exist...

Q.  Your post says to enter the 1099-Q on kids tax form and only the 1098-T on parents.

A. Not really. It says enter it on the recipient's return, if it even needs to be entered. For most people, it does not need  to be entered.  "Recipient" is defined above. 

 

Q. What do you mean by "claim the tuition credit"   and "claim 529 plan earnings exclusion"     are these specific forms you are referencing?

A. The tuition credit is claimed on form 8863.  There is no form for the "529 plan earnings exclusion". There is a TurboTax work sheet to calculate the taxable amount which is then entered on line 8z of Schedule 1. For most parents, the tuition credit is $2500 (it's 100% of the first $2000 of tuition paid and 25% of the next $2000.  That' s $2500 off your tax bill, not just an income deduction.

 

There are three things you can do with your Qualified educational expenses (QEE):

  1. Allocate then to scholarships (so that the scholarship remains tax free)
  2. Use them to claim an education credit
  3. Allocate them to the 529 distribution (1099-Q) so that it will not all be taxable

TurboTax allocates QEE, in that order, until you tell it otherwise. TurboTax allocates QEE, in that order, but it doesn't do a very good job.  It's best if you have some idea of the outcome expected, when you make your entries.  See the example above. A workaround may be needed in TT. 

 

Provide the following info for more specific help:

  • Are you the student or parent.
  • Is the  student  the parent's dependent.
  • Box 1 of the 1098-T
  • box 5 of the 1098-T
  • Any other scholarships not shown in box 5
  • Does box 5 include any of the 529/ESA plan payments (it should not)
  • Is any of the Scholarship restricted; i.e. it must be used for tuition
  • Box 1 of the 1099-Q
  • Box 2 of the 1099-Q
  • Who’s name and SS# are on the 1099-Q, parent or student (who’s the “recipient”)?
  • Room & board paid. If student lives off campus, what is school's R&B charge.
  • Other qualified expenses not included in box 1 of the 1098-T, e.g. books & computers
  • How much taxable income does the student have, from what sources
  • Are you trying to claim the tuition credit (are you eligible)?
  • Is the student an undergrad or grad student

 

 

KrisD15
Expert Alumni

How do I enter a 1099-Q? The help section doesn't help as it states all I have to do is click on the jump to link, but that link doesn't exist...

IRS Pub 970 is not that difficult to read and shows a lot of examples to make things easier to understand. 

 

It gets complicated because part of the equation is "Well, what do YOU want to do?"

 

Basically an education can be obtained by the person claiming the student. The credit is based on education expenses including tuition, books and supplies. 

The credit is based on these education expenses which were not paid for with a scholarship, distribution, or other financial assistance. 

 

Distributions can be used for the same expenses BUT ALSO for Room and Board. If used for these expenses, the distribution is tax-free. 

If any distribution is not used for these expenses, the tax on the distribution is calculated as a ratio of earnings and contributions. Whomever is listed as being issued the 1099-Q is responsible for that distribution.  

 

Now comes the fun part, you can move payments and expenses around at the end of the year. 

Unless a scholarship is restricted (approved only for a specific expense, which is uncommon) rather than have a 4,000 scholarship cover tuition, you can have the student claim the 4,000 as income and you take the 4,000 to use for a credit. 

 

If a distribution covered tuition, you can do the same-

"You can and should claim the tuition credit before claiming the 529 plan earnings exclusion. The educational expenses he claims for the 1099-Q should be reduced by the amount of educational expenses you claim for the credit."

Take the expenses for the credit instead of making the distribution tax-free (claiming the exclusion means making it EXCLUDED from tax) because the tax on the earnings of that distribution is usually less that the amount you get from the credit...

 

BUT NOT ALLWAYS

 

The Education Section is complicated because it can be adjusted for the situation that particular Taxpayer is in. 

 

IF THE 1099-Q WAS USED TO PAY FOR ROOM AND BOARD AND ONLY ROOM AND BOARD, don't even enter it, there is no tax, room and board is useless for the credit, the 1099-Q is irrelevant.

 

If you want TurboTax to make the calculation, I suggest you enter the forms on your return. 

(but be aware that the choice the program makes MIGHT result in the lowest tax liability for you this year, but MIGHT not be the most advantageous in the long run)

 

Pub 970

 

@mweissinger 

 

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