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March 18, 2024
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Form 1041 for Estate and NJ Form 1041 problem

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I am completing an Estate Income Tax Return (first and final) for an NJ Estate using TurboTax Business. On the Federal Form 1041, let's say I have $47,000 capital gains, and I can deduct $5000 real estate tax on the Federal return (but not the NJ State one). On Schedule B,Income Distribution Deduction the Adjusted total income (Line 1) is $42,000. ($47K minus $5K).  It seems like that should be the number on Line 9 Income to be distributed currently. But if I do that, this lower number carries through to NJ, Schedule B Line 48A, for Beneficiary's Distribution. But I am not permitted to deduct real etate taxes for the NJ Form 1041, so the Beneficiary's Distribution for NJ should be $47,000, not $42,000, right? Otherwise, it is $5K too low for NJ. Consequently, the NJ Form 1041 will show tax due, because the distribution is $5,000 less than it should be so it shows taxable income to the Estate, rather than passing through ALL the income to the Beneficiary. The only workaround I found in order to carry through the $47K Beneficiary distribution to NJ, was to input a $47K distribution for Federal, too, resulting in Line 9 being $47k instead of $42K. Having never done a Form 1041 before, I may simply not understand this? TurboTax forces me to choose a number for this, rather than calculating it automatically, so I am let uncertain about whether this is correct. Thank you.

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M-MTax
Level 15
March 18, 2024

Is that the way TT Business is programmed? Seems like it. You might have to make the NJ adjustment in forms view.

LK2023Author
Level 5
March 18, 2024

It seems to put my Federal entry (that subtracted the $5K) directly onto NJ 1041 Schedule B 48a for the Beneficiary Share, leaving $5K income to be taxed! Seems like I should manually enter the higher number ($47K) onto the NJ Schedule B, but if so, how do I proceed to do that? Thanks.

M-MTax
Level 15
March 18, 2024

Again....not sure but try forms view.

Level 2
March 21, 2024

Yes! I am having the same issue. Checked using paper copy and paper instructions for Nj-1041. It appears that there is not a  'deduction' for real estate property taxes paid for by the estate on form NJ-1041 like there is on the federal form 1041 (line 11).  Since there is no "deduction" on NJ-1041, it ends up treating  the amount spent on real estate property taxes as taxable income ( (line 23 of NJ-1041).  Not sure if this is correct, so hoping for  some expert tax advise here.  

 

 

 

 

CatinaT1
Level 15
March 28, 2024

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LK2023Author
Level 5
April 3, 2024

So I clarified that TurboTax Business is actually doing the right thing with my NJ 1041 here.

 

My question now is this . I've been advised by TurboTax Support that I must paper file the Federal Form 1041 in order to Attach a Statement explaining why the Estate was open for more than 2 years. In addition, because I can't e-file the Federal 1041, I must paper file the NJ 1041 as well.

 

If I have to paper file the Federal 1041 and NJ 1041, presumably it will take the IRS a while to process these.

 

So must I also paper file the corresponding personal Federal 1040 and NJ 1040 for the Beneficiary to whom the Estate income was distributed because the K-1 and NJ K-1 will take a while to be processed by the IRS?

 

Or can I e-file the 1040s, even though the 1041s (including K-1 and NJ K-1) were mailed?

AmyC
Level 15
April 4, 2024

You can go ahead and efile the personal returns with the forms. Eventually, the IRS will put it all together. Remember, the IRS is running about 4 years behind on personal return reviews so the estate will be processed before then. No worries!

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LK2023Author
Level 5
April 5, 2024

Thank you! And I had no idea the IRS was running 4 years behind in processing personal returns! Even e-filed returns? I know my 2019 paper filed 1040 took forever to process but that was early pandemic conditions. That's why I assumed that paper filed returns (e.g., the 1041s) would take longer. Sounds like they are pretty overwhelmed.