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Joe442
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File joint or separate?

Been always filling married filing joint. When finished entering everything in Turbo Tax I wanted to see what separate would give us. 

Joint fed owe $2017 state owe $830=$2847

 

Separate fed owe $3822 state refund $1280=only paying $2542 instead paying $2847. But turbo tax still has filing jointly “recommended”

 

I didn’t go any further than changing the check mark next to separate. Is this the way to go or am I missing something? We have no dependents anymore. 

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File joint or separate?

You did not compare MFS and MFJ correctly if all you did was click joint or separate in the same account.   That will not give you an accurate comparison.

 

It is not easy to compare MFJ to MFS using online TT but you can do it.  Since you only get one return for each account and user ID, you have to use 3 accounts and user ID’s—one for MFJ and two for each of the MFS returns.  Compare, choose, and file—and pay—accordingly.

It is much easier to do this comparison using the desktop version of TT installed from a CD or downloaded to your own computer.  You pay once for the software and you can prepare multiple returns easily, and it has a “what if” feature that allows comparisons.

 

 

With that being said, it is almost always better to file a joint return. especially if you have children.

 

If you were legally married at the end of 2021 your filing choices are married filing jointly or married filing separately.

Married Filing Jointly is usually better, even if one spouse had little or no income. When you file a joint return, you and your spouse will get the married filing jointly standard deduction of $25,100 (+$1350 for each spouse 65 or older)  You are eligible for more credits including education credits, earned income credit, child and dependent care credit, and a larger income limit to receive the child tax credit. 

 

If you choose to file married filing separately, both spouses have to file the same way—either you both itemize or you both use standard deduction. Your tax rate will be higher than on a joint return. Some of the special rules for filing separately include: you cannot get earned income credit, education credits, adoption credits, or deductions for student loan interest. A higher percent of your Social Security benefits may be taxable. Your limit for SALT (state and local taxes and sales tax) will be only $5000 per spouse. In many cases you will not be able to take the child and dependent care credit. The amount you can contribute to a retirement account will be affected. If you live in a community property state, you will be required to provide additional information regarding your spouse’s income. ( Community property states:  AZ, CA, ID, LA, NV, NM, TX, WA, WI)

 If  you are using online TurboTax to prepare your returns, you will need to prepare two separate returns and pay twice.

 

https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1894449-married-filing-jointly-vs-married-filing-separately

https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1901162-married-filing-separately-in-community-property-states

https://ttlc.intuit.com/questions/1894449-is-it-better-for-a-married-couple-to-file-jointly-or-separ...

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File joint or separate?

Your situation is possible.  As expected, your federal taxes are higher.  Your state taxes are lower, possibly due to how the state brackets are arranged, but we can't see your return to know for sure.  I found the same was true for my wife and myself several years ago, although the dollar advantage was less.

 

You need to make sure you don't make one specific mistake.  When filing separately, both spouses must use the standard deduction or both spouses must itemize their deductions, even if there are not enough deductions to go around.  It is not allowed to stack all the deductions on one spouse and have the other spouse claim the standard deduction. 

 

I have not played around with the "test separate filing" button in many years, so I don't know if it is completely accurate.  Filing separately changes several tax credits and deductions that you might or might not be claiming.  You will have to actually prepare your two separate returns to see if the numbers hold up.  If filing online, this means you need two separate accounts with different logins, and you will pay two Turbotax fees, although you don't have to pay until you confirm the expected savings and are ready to transmit the returns.

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