Dividends discrepancy on K-1

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March 9, 2022
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I'm working on Form 1041 for a trust. The total ordinary dividends (the only income) is $2,000 more than qualified dividends. The capital loss (Line 4) is $3,000 so the total income (Line 9) shows ordinary dividends reduced by $3,000. We're paying out all taxable income to the beneficiary. In creating the K-1, since ordinary dividends have been reduced by $3,000, the resulting amount is greater than the qualified dividends. I'm assuming it's a problem if the K-1 reflects greater qualified dividends than ordinary dividends. How can I resolve this?

Anonymous_

Level 15

Make sure the qualified dividends are allocated to the beneficiaries. You may have to use Forms Mode.

Steelydan989Author

Level 4

Thanks. The only income is ordinary and qualified dividends and we're attributing the loss carryover of $3,000 to the ordinary dividends. How will this affect the qualified dividends amount? If the $3,000 is subtracted from the ordinary dividends, the qualified dividends would be greater than the ordinary dividends on the K-1 which I assume is a problem, yes?

Anonymous_

Level 15

What are the actual numbers? Can you post them?

The qualified dividends are merely a subset of the ordinary dividends and should be reduced to the extent ordinary dividends are reduced.

Anonymous_

Level 15

@Steelydan989 wrote:

We're paying out all taxable income to the beneficiary.

The above-quoted statement is yet another (unaddressed) issue that has been left behind (somehow).

The quote is from the original post on March 9th. Assuming the trust is a calendar year taxpayer (which virtually all are), then March 9th would be too late to make a distribution to a beneficiary, for the 2021 tax year, without the trust having to pay all of the tax on the taxable income the trust received in 2021.

March 9th would be past the date allowed for the trust to make a Section 663(b) election (to have the distribution treated as if it were made in the 2021 tax year) so this entire discussion has been rendered moot, at least for the 2021 filing period.

Steelydan989Author

Level 4

There seems to be a misunderstanding here. I asked the question while working on the return as it involved how much taxable income would need to be attributed to the beneficiary on the K-1. My question did not reflect the date I distributed assets to the beneficiary. (I distributed more than enough to cover the taxable income prior to the deadline for 2021.) This issue seems to have gotten more complicated and confusing than intended.

Here was the question: The trust's only income was $41,000 of ordinary dividend income, $40,000 of which were qualified dividends. It also had $3,000 capital loss carryover. My question was, can the trust allocate $38,000 taxable income to the beneficiary and have the $3,000 loss carryover offset the remaining income in the trust, thereby leaving no taxable income in the trust? If the answer to this is no (as you initially indicated), no further discussion here is necessary. I understood this to be your answer and I filed the return accordingly. If the answer to this however is yes, my next question is, then what qualified dividends would be attributed to the beneficiary on the K-1 since it wouldn't be the full $40,000? The answer to this is still of interest to me as I file this return every year and want to understand how it works.

Anonymous_

Level 15

Distributions require planning to optimize (minimize) tax liability.

If this were a "simple" trust (all income is required to be distributed, whether distributed or not), then you would not be able to allocate less than the entire amount of the dividend income received (i.e., $41,000 would be deemed to be distributed and reported on the K-1).

However, it appears as if this trust is not a simple trust (i.e,, you have the discretion as to how much, if any, income to distribute). Therefore, you could have managed the distribution as you saw fit, and in a manner that optimized results, during the 2021 tax year (or within 65 days after the close if you made a 663(b) election). Instead, you purportedly distributed all of the income ("more than enough") to the beneficiary prior to the end of 2021. As a result, a different (lower) figure (e.g., $38,000) cannot be allocated to the beneficiary at this point; the actual distribution of all of the income has the effect of passing all of the DNI ($41,000 here) to the beneficiary.