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TrustedRC
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401 K loan default - Reporting on Schedule C - 50K

I started a new business and left my old job of 15 years in 2018

 

I am filling a late return for 2018 at the current moment 09-28-2019 after I filed for an extension. 

 

I got loan our of my  401k in the amount of 50K to put down on a down on a new house purchase before  before I left in 2017.

 

I defaulted on the loan in September of 2018.

 

I want to enter the 50k loan into my taxes and do not know how or where.

Or even possibly, do I have to to. I am sure I do have to because it is consider income.

 

I want to enter it in my Turbo Tax software so if I get audit I do not have to pay the interest and fee.

 

Can someone please help me and let me know where I should enter this information in. Or anything may help me.

 

little about me:

2017 worked at a Casino as an employee for 15 years.

2017 took out a 50k loan to put down on a down payment to a new house purchase.

2018 January left the casino and started my own landscaping business.

2019 of September filling my 2018 and need to know where to enter the 50k loan I defaulted on.

 

Today's date 09-28-2019

 

 

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401 K loan default - Reporting on Schedule C - 50K

You should have gotten a 1099R for it.  Just enter the 1099R into your return.  You will owe tax on it.  Your business is not part of this.  It doesn't go on your schedule C.

 

The easiest way to get to the 1099-R entry screen is to simply search for 1099-R (upper- or lower-case, with or without the dash) in your TurboTax program and then click the "Jump to" link in the search results.

 

Enter a 1099R under

Federal Taxes on the left side

Wages & Income at the top

 

Then scroll way down to Retirement Plans and Social Security,

Then IRA, 401(k), Pension Plans (1099R) - click Start or Revisit

 

If you are filing a Joint return be sure to pick which person it is for.

 

 

TrustedRC
Returning Member

401 K loan default - Reporting on Schedule C - 50K

Thank you very kindly!

 

Did I describe my situation completely?

Is there any other information that would help?

 

Thank you so much, I will do as you described VolveGirl.

401 K loan default - Reporting on Schedule C - 50K

If you defaulted on a 401K loan the employer had to issue you a 1099-R ... contact them for the form.  There is nothing else you can do without it. 

TrustedRC
Returning Member

401 K loan default - Reporting on Schedule C - 50K

Thank you so much!

 

If my last employer does not have a 1099-R.

 

Would it be possible for me to get it from Fedility 401K?

Who was my 401k loan originator.

 

Thank you again Critter!

401 K loan default - Reporting on Schedule C - 50K

Yes, get the 1099R from the 401K plan.

TrustedRC
Returning Member

401 K loan default - Reporting on Schedule C - 50K

Thank you VolvoGirl!

 

 

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401 K loan default - Reporting on Schedule C - 50K

if you are the sole owner of the landscaping business and it is not incorporated, it gets reported on schedule C.

your return is not late since you extended it.  it is now due 10/15/2019.  however, if there is a balance due the IRS will bill you for late payment penalties and interest.

in one place you say you left your old job in 2017 but another you say you left casino in 2018.  which is it?

did you get a 1099-R from your employer which included in the taxable amount the loan.    the reason I ask is there was a change in the tax laws for 2018 regarding 401(k) loans.  here it is

 

Effective January 1, 2018. Section 13613(a) of the law, cryptically titled “Extended Rollover Period for Plan Loan Offset Amounts,” now gives you potentially until October 15 of the following year to offset the outstanding 401k loan balance and avoid taxes and penalties.

Example: You owe $25,000 on a 401k loan when you’re laid off on November 20, 2017.  you don't repay the loan within the period required by your plan and elect to rollover the balance into an IRA which the employer does in 2018. 8 taxes. Now, you may have until October 15, 2019 (the tax filing date for 2018 plus a six-month extension) to roll over the $25,000 to an IRA or new employer’s plan to avoid the tax hit. You can use that additional time to get back on your feet and avoid the taxes and penalties from a defaulted 401k loan.

 

Section 1.402(c)-2, Q&A-9(b), provides that a distribution of a plan loan
offset amount is a distribution that occurs when, under the plan terms the participant’s accrued benefit is reduced (offset) in order to repay the loan.      if the Plan so provides , this can occur in the event of an employee’s termination of employment  and the loan is to be repaid immediately or treated as in default.   

Any portion of a qualified plan loan offset amount may be rolled over into an eligible retirement plan by the individual’s tax filing due date (including extensions) for the taxable year in which the offset occurs.

 

so if the offset occurred in 2018, you have until 10/15/19, to put the 50K into an eligible retirement account and thus avoid all taxes and early withdrawal penalties

 

failure to do this will subject the loan to income taxes and if you are under 59 1/2   early withdrawal penalty of 10%     for 2018

 

if taxable the loan amount would be reported on the same line as the 1099-R 4a and 4b of 1040.  the 10% penalty through form 5329

 

 

 

 

 

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