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2024 TT premier windows - problems with the annualized income method

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The bulk of my income happened in Dec as an IRA distribution, but every month there is interest income. Assume $300/mo plus a $96400 distribution in Dec for a total of 100k. I made one Q4 estimated tax overpayment in Dec at the same time as the distribution, but a late tax payment penalty for the earlier months was expected. I also had 30k of medical expenses, mostly in Q3,Q4 so I am itemizing.

 

In an effort to understand and reduce the penalty I did some what-if experiments using the step-by-step annualized income dialogs to change the timing of when I incurred AGI and SchA deductions. Before I even tried the annualized income dialogs, I was seeing maybe $400 of combined Fed+St penalty depending on when I planned to file.


The annualized income method prompts for AGI at the 3mo,5mo,8mo marks and shows the 12mo AGI ($100k) since it already has that. Similarly it prompts for the SchA deductions at the 3mo,5mo,8mo marks and shows the 12mo total ($30k) it already has.

 

When I used the annualized method the combined penalties were reduced to $100 and my refunds increased accordingly, but the final dialog in that method shows an already checked box "do not use the annualized method". I have to uncheck that box every time or I will lose my annualized entries (and tax savings). It makes no sense to have this as a default setting. Also the calcs from these dialogs do not seem to propagate immediately like the rest of TT.

 

The next thing I tried was to change the timing of the SchA deductions. It seemed to make no difference if the deductions were spread throughout each quarter, or occurred all in the first quarter or all in the last quarter. The penalty was unchanged. This does not seem correct. More deductions earlier in the year should make a difference.

 

Next I tried the same with the AGI. Again it made no difference if all of my income occurred throughout the year, or all in the last quarter. This can't possibly be correct. If this isn't a bug, then where is the penalty coming from?

 

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2024 TT premier windows - problems with the annualized income method

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I was right to question the odd behavior of the Annualized Income method and the nonsensical entries I was seeing. While reviewing I found that I had mistakenly entered the year 2025 for my Q4 estimated payment instead of 2024. Still have to use the AI method, but all penalties are now gone.

 

I agree with other posts that the annualized forms are complex and poorly explained, but TT was not at fault here. Sorry if this led anyone astray.

JST4
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2024 TT premier windows - problems with the annualized income method

It looks like you figured out how to make the entries for the Annualized Method. Perhaps you can answer my questions:

When entering AGI by the periods ending 3/31, 5/31, 8/31, TT displays a cumulative total.  The TT total is less than the total I calculate .  It is short by the amount of my capital gains carry forward. Do I need to make any adjustments or is this TT way of dealing with the carry forward?

 

When entering deductions same thing happens, when I enter cumulative deductions by 3/31,5/31 and 8/31, TT displays a total.  TT total is short to mine by the amount of disallowed deductions due to the  SALT maximum of $10K.

I hit the SALT max in April, do I still include the SALT components as I enter numbers for June-August?

 

HELP FROM ANYONE IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

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