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2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

Was responding to the original poster.  My problem is that line 10, column A is not pulling from Schedule AI, Line 27, Column A, but appears to be pulling from Schedule AI, line 22, Column B.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

@CarissaM your link is to an issue with the 2020 Form 2210, not this year's form. I'm sure hoping we aren't still seeing this 2021 problem a year from now !! And the signup for an e-mail doesn't work either.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

INTUIT:

You’re leaving the people on this forum (your customers) hanging.  Can you please assure us this form 2210 problem is being actively worked on and provide us with an expected resolution date?

Thank you. 

barsar1
Returning Member

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

Confirming, I get same error in TurboTax (Premier 2021 PC version) Form 2210, Part III, line 10, column A: required quarterly installment payment is twice what it should be.  Probably left over from Tax Year 2020 when the first 2 quarters were rolled together by IRS.  Hope this gets fixed in next TurboTax update.

AJ47
Returning Member

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

agree latest form 2210 is not working correctly at line 10..

I overrode line 10 manually to pick up the amount from form 2210AI, line23 only .  Then, also had to fix line 10 because it only picks up estimated payments but IGNORES CARRYOVER AMOUNTS FROM 2020 EXCESS PAYMENTS  FROM ESTIMATED TAX PAYMENT WORKSHEET.   I had to override this line as well.  AFTER BOTH overrides form appears to process changes correctly.

I hope turbo tax fixes this soon so I do not have to file with overrides....

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

Can not sign up for the update info.  Has an XML error.

 

do you know when this issue might be fixed?

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

I think this explains exactly where the bug is!! Developers at Intuit should certainly leverage this info for their debug 

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

I think this explains exactly where the bug is (for both Mac and PC versions)!! Developers at Intuit should certainly leverage this info for their debug 

 

"Confirming, I get same error in TurboTax (Premier 2021 PC/Mac version) Form 2210, Part III, line 10, column A: required quarterly installment payment is twice what it should be.  Probably left over from Tax Year 2020 when the first 2 quarters were rolled together by IRS.  Hope this gets fixed in next TurboTax update."

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

required quarterly installment payment is twice what it should be

> ... Probably left over from Tax Year 2020 when the first 2 quarters were rolled together by IRS

 

Interesting theory; thanks for that. I phoned in this bug on 19th Feb and after some waiting was told that many others are complaining about the same problem. They're working on it.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

> We are currently working to get this issue fixed. 

> Please go here to sign up for an email alert for when this is resolved.

 

Thanks for the info, but as others have noted, that page is from almost a year ago and the email form doesn't work.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

As of Feb 21 I suggest you DO NOT USE TURBOTAX for FORM 2210. I have so far found 5 errors in the TurboTax calculation:

 

1. When using the annualized installment method, line 10 column (a) in part 3 of form 2210 is supposed to be equal to schedule AI line 27 column (a). Instead, it is equal to line 27 column (a) + line 27 column (b).

 

2. The tax computations on schedule AI, line 14 column (a), (b), and (c) are incorrect.

 

3. Self-employment tax on line 15 of schedule AI is incorrectly also included in line 16, resulting in a double-counting of self-employment tax and a line 17 column (d) total tax that incorrectly exceeds the total tax shown on form 1040 line 24.

 

4. 2020 refunds applied to 2021 are supposed to count as a tax payment starting in the first quarter of 2021. Instead, 2020 refunds applied to 2021 are incorrectly ignored on form 2021.

 

5. Line 7 schedule AI incorrectly excludes amounts on line 12(b) of form 1040.

MJK6
Level 3

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

@kevinandlori this looks like the most comprehensive summary of the problems that I have seen so far.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

I am also seeing the incorrect transcription of data from Sched AI line 27 to form 2210, line 10.  It is taking data from the 2nd period and putting into the 1st period's required installment, thus making it look like a gross underpayment.  Hope it gets resolved soon.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

Looking further - I see that the Schedule AI line 7 is not including the amount from line 12b on form 1040 - that 12b is the amount of cash charitable deductions (max $600 for married, filing jointly), so it is only getting the standard deduction amount - NOT Std deduct + Charitable contribution, which would make you have a lower annualized income and therefore less tax to pay.

 

When I looked back at my 2020 version of form 2210, it too also seemed to be incorrect in a few places.

2021 Form 2210 Calculation Error

Kevinandlori, thanks for your extensive analysis. My comment relates only to your item 4. Based on my own experience with the 2021 Form 2210, TT's Line 11(a) calculation of first quarter estimated tax includes the amount of the 2020 tax overpayment applied to 2021, but  generally reduces the Line 11(a) amount by any tax paid with the 2020 Form 4868 extension of time to file the 2020 return, which was due May 17, 2021.  [Note: I indicated in an earlier post that I thought this was a programming error, but it is not.]

 

TT assumes that tax paid with the extension was paid on May 17, 2021, unless the customer indicates on the applicable TT input sheet that it was paid on another date.  For example, if a 2020 tax overpayment of $500 was applied to 2021, and $300 was paid with a timely-filed 2020 Form 4868 after April 15, 2021, TT is reducing the $500 first quarter estimated payment included on Line 11(a) by the $300 extension payment, unless the customer indicates that the Form 4868 amount was paid on another date that is on or before April 15, 2021.  In the example above, TT is applying the $500 overpayment as a 2021 estimated payment as follows: Line 11(a) $200 that is treated as paid on April 15, 2021; Line 11(b) $300 that is treated as paid on May 17, 2021.

 

In an earlier post made last week, I did not realize that TT is including the $300 Form 4868 tax payment in this example as a second quarter estimated payment on Line 11(b).  A careful reading of the 2021 Form 2210 Instructions for Line 11 provides ample support for TT's conclusion.  See second bullet in the penultimate paragraph of the guidance for Line 11 on page 5 of the Instructions, which states: "If an an overpayment is generated on your 2020 return from a payment made after April 15, 2021, treat the payment as made on the date of payment." Moreover. the IRS has consistently taken this position during 2021 and to date in 2022, most notably in an announcement made April 12, 2021. IRS created this dilemma when in March 2021 it decided to postpone the 2020 tax return filing date to May 17, 2021, but did not likewise postpone the April 15, 2021 due date of the 2021 first quarter estimated tax payment. 

 

Just to be clear, I checked Box D in Part II, electing to treat federal income tax withheld from 2021 income as paid on dates actually withheld for Form 2210 purposes, rather than spread the aggregate of 2021 withholding tax equally over the four 2021 estimated tax installment periods. While I did not elect to use the annualized income installment method (Part II, Box C), the Line 11(a) issuue descibed above is applicable to any taxpayer who is required to file Form 2210 because it checked either Box C or D in Part II of the Form.  

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