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I just started a trading business, no TTS status. Can I get any deduction?

Hello,

 

I am currently employed and I trade options/forex as a side job.

 

I recently formed a LLC for trading and investment purpose.

 

If I have no TTS status, then I cannot deduct expenses? or TTS status doesn't matter for llc to get deductibles on expenses?

 

I am planning on expenses as following: home-office deduction, subscription fees, investment management fees, loan interests etc.

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I just started a trading business, no TTS status. Can I get any deduction?

if you do not have TTS the IRS regards you as an investor. it does not matter that the activities are carried out through an LLC.  trading gains and loss are capital in nature and expenses, except for investment interest expense (form 4952/ Schedule A), are not deductible on either schedule A or C. 

 

if you want to qualify as a trader you must meet these criteria

 You must seek to profit from daily market movements in the prices of securities and not from dividends, interest, or capital appreciation;
Your activity must be substantial; and
You must carry on the activity with continuity and regularity.
The following facts and circumstances should be considered in determining if your activity is a securities trading business:
Typical holding periods for securities bought and sold;
The frequency and dollar amount of your trades during the year;
The extent to which you pursue the activity to produce income for a livelihood; and
The amount of time you devote to the activity.

 

 

if you think you'll qualify for 2022 the 475(f) election must be made by 4/15/2022 (unless extended) either with your return or with an extension. make sure the documents get a timely postmark.  late elections are denied.

 

I just started a trading business, no TTS status. Can I get any deduction?

You don't need TTS to be in the business of trading stocks (Day Trader).

There is a lot of discussion threads here about how to report expenses.

There is much disagreement, As far as I can tell no one has a definitive answer.

 

Maybe there's a tax lawyer out there somewhere who knows what they're doing, but you won't find them on this forum.

 

One thing should be clear, it must be an actual business, not just a hobby.

I just started a trading business, no TTS status. Can I get any deduction?

TTS is "Trader Tax Status" (aka Trader in Securities) and should not be confused with the Mark-to-Market (Section 475(f)) election.

 

Traders in securities report business expenses on Schedule C and actual trades on Form 8949 and Schedule D.

 

See https://www.irs.gov/taxtopics/tc429

I just started a trading business, no TTS status. Can I get any deduction?

OK you don't have to make the Mark-to-Market election to have Trader Status (Day Trader).

My confusion.

 

I'm glad I'm not in the business of trading stocks.

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