I took out a margin loan against my equities to purchase crypto.
Can I deduct the margin loan interest that I am paying towards the loan on my taxes?
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Thank you, Mike.
But the margin loan was secured using my equity position held at an external institution.
I borrowed money against my equities held at institution A and then used those funds to purchase crypto at another institution. This is what I am getting at. Does this still count?
You would file an amended return for 2021 that includes form 4952 to report the interest. Since you have no income from the investment, you will carry the interest forward. Then you file an amended return for 2022 which reports the interest you paid in 2022 plus the carryover from 2021. If you have no income in 2022 from that investment, then you will carry the form 4952 and the interest forward to 2023, and so on.
Notice 2014-21 provides useful principles that can be applied to crypto transactions involving the use of margin. Under the Notice, cryptocurrencies are treated as property for federal tax purposes. Thus, gain or loss on the sale of cryptocurrencies is reported as a capital gain or loss with the tyre short-term vs long-term determined by the holding. Short-term If held one year or less or long-term if held more than one year.
Taxpayers may deduct investment interest only to the extent that such interest does not exceed net investment income for the taxable year (IRC 163(d)(1). “Investment interest” means interest paid or accrued on indebtedness properly allocable to property held for investment and generally includes margin interest IRC 163(d)(3)(A); Miner v. Comm’r, T.C. Memo 2003-39. Any investment interest that cannot be deducted in a taxable year because of this limitation may be carried forward to the succeeding taxable year.
if it is investment interest it gets reported on schedule A using form 4952. this requires that you itemize your deductions rather than taking the standard deduction. if you take the deduction is lost and there is no carryforward. This applies to investors in crypto.
it would seem active cryptocurrency (coin) traders can qualify for trader tax status (TTS) to deduct trading business expenses and home-office deductions on schedule C. https://greentradertax.com/cryptocurrencies-trader-tax-status-and-section-475-issues/ What does it take to be classified as a trader?
here's one opinion on what it takes to achieve TTS status for crypto.
Here are the GreenTraderTax golden rules for qualification based on an analysis of trader tax court cases and years of tax compliance experience.
– Volume: three to four trades per day. Don’t count when the coin exchange breaks down an order into multiple executions.
– Frequency: trade executions on 75% of available trading days. If you trade five days per week, you should have trade orders executed on close to four days per week.
– Holding period: The Endicott court required an average holding period of fewer than 31 days.
– Hours: at least four hours per day, including on research and administration.
– Taxable account size: material to net worth, and at least $15,000 during the year.
-Intention to make a primary or supplemental living. You can have another job or business, too.
– Operations: one or more trading computers with multiple monitors and a dedicated home office.
– Automation: You can count the volume and frequency of a self-created automated trading system, algorithms or bots. If you license the automation from another party, it doesn’t count.
– A trade copying service, using outside investment managers and retirement plan accounts don’t count for TTS.
Interest that you pay to purchase investments is a deductible interest expense on form 4952. It is an itemized tax deduction on schedule A, and it is one of the few itemized tax deductions that was not eliminated in the tax reform act of 2017.
However, the amount of the deduction is limited to the amount of income you report from those investments. If you are holding the cryptocurrency, and have not sold it, so you have not realized the capital gains, you will have no actual interest deduction. However, you still report the interest on form 4952 so it carries forward year to year, and you can take the deduction when and if you sell the investment for a taxable capital gain.
Thank you, Mike.
But the margin loan was secured using my equity position held at an external institution.
I borrowed money against my equities held at institution A and then used those funds to purchase crypto at another institution. This is what I am getting at. Does this still count?
Thanks Opus 17. Please see my question to Mike.
Appreciate your response.
The interest can be eligible for the investment, interest deduction, but now you have to worry about what are called the tracing rules. Put simply, you have to be able to trace the dollars of interest from the cryptocurrency investment back to the prior loan, and be able to prove that the dollars of interest that you want to deduct as an investment expense are actually traceable to the investment.
The loan can really come from anywhere as long as you can trace it. For example, a home equity loan, or even a credit card loan. Suppose you borrowed a large cash advance from a credit card and use it to buy an investment. Then you put the credit card in a drawer, and never use it for anything else. It is very easy to allocate or trace the interest directly to the investment. But, suppose that after taking the cash advance on the credit card, you continue to use the credit card for clothing and pizza and food and gasoline and everything else. Then it becomes very difficult to allocate the interest to the investment compared to the other purchases.
In short, if you borrow using investment A as collateral and use the money to purchase investment B, the interest can be deductible interest against investment B as long as you can trace or allocate the interest paid on investment A back to the purchase of investment B, and that you can prove this if audited.
Wow! I didn't know about the "tracing rules". Thanks again, Opus 17. You guys are the best.
Yes, I can certainly trace it back to institution A as I am being charged a monthly interest which appear on my statements. Besides, I also have bank records of the money from institution A > bank > purchase of crypto at institution B.
One follow-up question though. I borrowed this margin loan in 2021 to purchase crypto. I still hold the crypto (didn't sell, no exchange, staking etc.). However, I failed to deduct or capture the interest on my taxes since 2021 as I didn't think this was allowed. Is there a way to go back or somehow capture all the lost interest deductions moving forward so I can recapture them when I sell towards any capital gains I may potentially have?
Thank you.
You would file an amended return for 2021 that includes form 4952 to report the interest. Since you have no income from the investment, you will carry the interest forward. Then you file an amended return for 2022 which reports the interest you paid in 2022 plus the carryover from 2021. If you have no income in 2022 from that investment, then you will carry the form 4952 and the interest forward to 2023, and so on.
Thank you, Opus 17!
This has been very helpful.
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