Daily Commute Questions:
1) Does the IRS have a number of miles that is considered a Average Daily Commute, i.e. 25 miles each way?
2) If a sales person works out of their Home Office, and uses a company, are they docked mileage for a daily commute, i.e. 25 miles each way, to visit customers if they leave and return on the same day?
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Commuting is never tax deductible, either for W-2 employees or independent contractors. Commuting is the travel from your home to your main place of work and back again, no matter how far it is.
If you are a W-2 employee and the business provides you with a company car, and you are allowed to use it for personal use as well, they must include the value of the personal use as part of your taxable income (in most cases). This is complicated and I'm not going to talk about it further for now. If your company is including the value of a company car in your wages, you need to talk to them about how they determined the amount to include.
If you use your personal vehicle for commuting, it is never deductible. If you also use your personal vehicle for other business travel, that used to be deductible (subject to certain limitations) but that deduction was eliminated for the years 2018-2025 by the 2018 tax reform law. Mileage may still be deductible on your state tax return.
If you are a W-2 employee working from home, work mileage on your personal car is never deductible due to the tax reform act. Mileage may still be deductible on your state tax return. You need to keep accurate mileage records as described in chapter 4 of publication 463, also see Figure B in the same publication.
Mileage may still be deductible on your state tax return.
If you are an independent contractor, and your regular place of business is your home, you can deduct most of your mileage away from home on business. You must keep accurate records as described in publication 463, chapter 4.
If you are traveling away from home (away from your tax home) and staying overnight, that is "travel" (chapter 1) and not transportation (chapter 4). Travel expenses for W-2 employees are not deductible, you may want to renegotiate your employment agreement or ask your employer to reimburse you. If you are a schedule C independent contractor, you can deduct mileage, lodging, and half your meals, when you travel away from home on business. Your tax home is where you earn most of your money. For example, suppose you live in Buffalo NY and work in Rochester NY. You drive 90 miles on Monday morning, work 10 hours Monday-Thursday, stay in a hotel or apartment, and drive home Thursday night for the weekend. Because you work in Rochester, Rochester is your tax home, and all the driving and lodging is a non-deductible commute.
Q. Does the IRS have a number of miles that is considered a Average Daily Commute, i.e. 25 miles each way?
A. No. Your employer is to impute the value of your personal use, of the company vehicle, based on actual mileage.
Q. Does it apply to both Company Cars and Personal vehicles used for company purposes?
A. No. As the other answer indicated; if your company pays a W-2 employee an allowance (as opposed to mileage reimbursement under an "accountable plan") for the business use of your personal car, you get no deduction and the entire allowance is taxable to you.
Q. If a sales person works out of their Home Office, and uses a company car, are they docked mileage for a daily commute, i.e. 25 miles each way, to visit customers if they leave and return on the same day?
A. No, as far as the IRS is concerned (see reference). But, that doesn't prevent your employer from having such a policy.
Q. What if they leave for the week, i.e. leave on Monday, return on Thursday, seeing customers all week. Are they to deduct an average daily commute, i.e. 25 miles, for the outbound and return?
A. Same answer applies
there is no IRS standard commuting mileage. commuting mileage is the actual number of miles you commute. to determine what is or isn't commuting mileage you must determine what your tax home is. the following comes from IRS PUb 463.
Tax Home
To determine whether you are traveling away from home, you must first determine the location of your tax home.
Generally, your tax home is your regular place of business or post of duty, regardless of where you maintain your family home. It includes the entire city or general area in which your business or work is located.
If you have more than one regular place of business, your tax home is your main place of business.
If you don’t have a regular or a main place of business because of the nature of your work, then your tax home may be the place where you regularly live. If you don’t have a regular or main place of business or post of duty and there is no place where you regularly live, you are considered an itinerant (a transient) and your tax home is wherever you work. As an itinerant, you can’t claim a travel expense deduction because you are never considered to be traveling away from home.
Main place of business or work. If you have more than one place of work, consider the following when determining which one is your main place of business or work. (not in the PUB but generally agreed that
a qualifying home office is your main place of business and where you earn the majority of your income or perform most of your work tasks - you can have a home office that is not qualifying)
• The total time you ordinarily spend in each place.
• The level of your business activity in each place.
• Whether your income from each place is significant or insignificant.
Example. You live in Cincinnati where you have a seasonal job for 8 months each year and earn $40,000. You work the other 4 months in Miami, also at a seasonal job, and earn $15,000. Cincinnati is your main place of work because you spend most of your time there and earn most of your income there.
No main place of business or work.
You may have a tax home even if you don’t have a regular or main place of work. Your tax home may be the home where you regularly live.
Factors used to determine tax home.
If you don’t have a regular or main place of business or work, use the following three factors to determine where your tax home is.
1. You perform part of your business in the area of your main home and use that home for lodging while doing business in the area.
2. You have living expenses at your main home that you duplicate because your business requires you to be away from that home.
3. You haven’t abandoned the area in which both your historical place of lodging and your claimed main home are located; you have a member or members of your family living at your main home, or you often use that home for lodging.
If you satisfy all three factors, your tax home is the home where you regularly live. If you satisfy only two factors, you may have a tax home depending on all the facts and circumstances. If you satisfy only one factor, you are an itinerant; your tax home is wherever you work and you can’t deduct travel expenses.
Example 1. You are single and live in Bos-ton in an apartment you rent. You have worked for your employer in Boston for a number of years. Your employer enrolls you in a 12-month executive training program. You don’t expect to return to work in Boston after you complete your training.
During your training, you don’t do any work in Boston. Instead, you receive classroom and on-the-job training throughout the United States. You keep your apartment in Boston and return to it frequently. You use your apartment to conduct your personal business. You also keep up your community contacts in Boston. When you complete your training, you are transferred to Los Angeles.
You don’t satisfy factor (1) because you didn’t work in Boston. You satisfy factor (2) because you had duplicate living expenses. You also satisfy factor (3) because you didn’t abandon your apartment in Boston as your main home, you kept your community contacts, and you frequently returned to live in your apartment. Therefore, you have a tax home in Bos-ton.
Example 2. You are an outside salesperson with a sales territory covering several states. Your employer's main office is in New-ark, but you don’t conduct any business there. Your work assignments are temporary, and you have no way of knowing where your future assignments will be located. You have a room in your married sister's house in Dayton. You stay there for one or two weekends a year, but you do no work in the area. You don’t pay your sister for the use of the room.
You don’t satisfy any of the three factors listed earlier. You are an itinerant and have no tax home.
as to committing mileage vs business mileage again from IRS PUB 463
Transportation
This chapter discusses expenses you can deduct for business transportation when you aren’t traveling away from (tax) home, as defined in chapter 1. These expenses include the cost of transportation by air, rail, bus, taxi, etc., and the cost of driving and maintaining your car. Transportation expenses include the ordinary
and necessary costs of all of the following.
• Getting from one workplace to another in the course of your business or profession when you are traveling within the city or general area that is your tax home. Tax home is defined in chapter 1.
• Visiting clients or customers.
• Going to a business meeting away from your regular workplace.
• Getting from your home to a temporary workplace when you have one or more regular places of work. These temporary workplaces can be either within the area of your tax home or outside that area.
Transportation expenses don’t include expenses you have while traveling away from home
overnight. Those expenses are travel expenses discussed in chapter 1. However, if you use
your car while traveling away from home overnight, use the rules in this chapter to figure your
car expense deduction. See Car Expenses, later (not included - see pUB 437).
Daily transportation expenses you incur while traveling from home to one or more regular places
of business are generally nondeductible commuting expenses. However, there may be
exceptions to this general rule. You can deduct daily transportation expenses incurred going
between your residence and a temporary work station outside the metropolitan area where you
live. Also, daily transportation expenses can be deducted if (1) you have one or more regular
work locations away from your residence; or (2) your residence is your principal place of business
and you incur expenses going between the residence and another work location in the
same trade or business, regardless of whether the work is temporary or permanent and regardless
of the distance.
If you are entitled to a reimbursement from your employer but you don’t claim it, you can’t claim a deduction for the expenses to which that unclaimed reimbursement applies. This type of deduction is considered
a miscellaneous deduction which is no longer allowable due to the suspension of miscellaneous itemized deductions subject to the 2% floor under section 67(a).
Illustration of transportation expenses. Figure B, (PUB 437), illustrates the rules that apply for
deducting transportation expenses when you have a regular or main job away from your
home. You may want to refer to it when deciding whether you can deduct your transportation
expenses.
Temporary work location. If you have one or more regular work locations away from your
home and you commute to a temporary work location in the same trade or business, you can
deduct the expenses of the daily round-trip transportation between your home and the temporary
location, regardless of distance. If your employment at a work location is realistically
expected to last (and does in fact last) for 1 year or less, the employment is temporary
unless there are facts and circumstances that would indicate otherwise. If your employment at a work location is realistically expected to last for more than 1 year or if there is no realistic expectation that the employment
will last for 1 year or less, the employment isn’t temporary, regardless of whether it actually lasts for more than 1 year. If employment at a work location initially is realistically expected to last for 1 year or less,
but at some later date the employment is realistically expected to last more than 1 year, that employment will be treated as temporary (unless there are facts and circumstances that would indicate otherwise) until your expectation changes. It won’t be treated as temporary after the date you determine it will last more than 1
year. If the temporary work location is beyond the general area of your regular place of work and
you stay overnight, you are traveling away from home. You may have deductible travel expenses,
as discussed in chapter 1.
No regular place of work. If you have no regular place of work but ordinarily work in the metropolitan
area where you live, you can deduct daily transportation costs between home and a temporary work site outside that metropolitan area. Generally, a metropolitan area includes the area within the city limits and the suburbs that are considered part of that metropolitan area. You can’t deduct daily transportation costs
between your home and temporary work sites within your metropolitan area. These are nondeductible
commuting expenses.
Two places of work. If you work at two places in 1 day, whether or not for the same employer,
you can deduct the expense of getting from one workplace to the other. However, if for some
personal reason you don’t go directly from one location to the other, you can’t deduct more
than the amount it would have cost you to go directly from the first location to the second.
Transportation expenses you have in going between home and a part-time job on a day off
from your main job are commuting expenses. You can’t deduct them.
as pointed out if you are an employee there is no federal deduction for business or commuting mileage. If the company has an accountable plan (you submit mileage reports) and you use your own vehicle then it can reimburse you tax-free using the IRS standard mileage rate for your business mileage. Without such a plan any reimbursement would be considered compensation. if the state allows a deduction for your business use any reimbursement under an accountable plan would reduce the deductible expenses.
if you use a company vehicle, they are supposed to include in compensation your personal use (commuting mileage). usually, the IRS standard mileage rate is used. in addition, it is taxable compensation for both social security and medicare tax purposes. Nothing prevents the company from including in compensation all use of the vehicle. if this is the case, again as an employee, there is no deduction but the business usage could be deductible for the state.
All,
Greatly appreciate the answers to the questions. My Team of sales people will also appreciate the answers, too. If you don't mind, I would like to ask you all the specifics of the generalized questions:
My Sales Team all works from their home (designated home offices) and most, not all, drive company supplied vehicles. The territories they cover are large, between 10 to 15 states. They drive some areas and fly others. They have local sales calls where they are home every night, and weeks that they are gone on Monday and back on Thursday, staying in hotels. Most are seasoned, with 15+ years of experience doing these same jobs. Never have they been charged/taxed or not paid for driving for doing company business.
Our new company CFO stated that there is an IRS policy related to the Average Daily Commute which is being implemented in our place. My sales team is now being docked 50 miles per round trip (25 miles each way) for what was referenced as an IRS regulation. When I couldn't find reference to that rule, I asked the Intuit Community.
So, are you all saying there is "NO" IRS regulation that requires a sales person, who works from a home office, covering the territories as described, to be required to pay the tax on the first 25 miles and the last 25 miles of a trip, because it is considered "the Average Daily Commute"? And the same applies to my sales team who uses a personal vehicle to do the company business, because they are being asked to deduct the first 25 miles and last 25 miles of their trip because it is considered "the Average Daily Commute"?
Thank you all,
@5acres wrote:
All,
Greatly appreciate the answers to the questions. My Team of sales people will also appreciate the answers, too. If you don't mind, I would like to ask you all the specifics of the generalized questions:
My Sales Team all works from their home (designated home offices) and most, not all, drive company supplied vehicles. The territories they cover are large, between 10 to 15 states. They drive some areas and fly others. They have local sales calls where they are home every night, and weeks that they are gone on Monday and back on Thursday, staying in hotels. Most are seasoned, with 15+ years of experience doing these same jobs. Never have they been charged/taxed or not paid for driving for doing company business.
Our new company CFO stated that there is an IRS policy related to the Average Daily Commute which is being implemented in our place. My sales team is now being docked 50 miles per round trip (25 miles each way) for what was referenced as an IRS regulation. When I couldn't find reference to that rule, I asked the Intuit Community.
So, are you all saying there is "NO" IRS regulation that requires a sales person, who works from a home office, covering the territories as described, to be required to pay the tax on the first 25 miles and the last 25 miles of a trip, because it is considered "the Average Daily Commute"? And the same applies to my sales team who uses a personal vehicle to do the company business, because they are being asked to deduct the first 25 miles and last 25 miles of their trip because it is considered "the Average Daily Commute"?
Thank you all,
If there is a specific regulation or safe harbor that says "25 miles" exactly, I don't know what it is.
You need to start with the proposition that everything you provide an employee as compensation for their services is assumed to be taxable income unless it is covered by a specific fringe benefit rule (like employer-provided health insurance). If you provide your employees with cars to drive, that's considered part of their taxable income, it is not allowed to be a free employee benefit.
Important: If your employees are driving their own cars and submitting reimbursement requests, then nothing that follows applies to you, and we have to start over from scratch with new facts.
Then publication 15-B says that you exclude from taxable income, the use of a car that would have been a deductible business expense if the employee used their own car and submitted a reimbursement request. The exact language is this (page 22):
Vehicle allocation rules. If you provide a car for an em- ployee's use, the amount you can exclude as a working condition benefit is the amount that would be allowable as a deductible business expense if the employee paid for its use. If the employee uses the car for both business and personal use, the value of the working condition benefit is the part determined to be for business use of the vehicle. See Business use of your car under Personal Versus Business Expenses in chapter 1 of Pub. 535.
You don't have to add the value of a vehicle to the employee's taxable income if the vehicle is so specialized (like a police car or tow truck) that it can't really be used for much personal use.
Publication 15-B pages 24-30 goes into great detail about how to value the use of a company car. As a very crude example, if a car would cost $10,000 a year to lease, and the employee can use it half the time for personal use, you have to add $5000 of taxable wages to their W-2.
For another example, if you collect some data and do surveys of your salespeople and find that they drive on average 40,000 miles per year, with 30,000 miles being sales calls, then you would need to add 1/4 of the value of the car to their wages.
What I don't know is whether you need to calculate this per employee or if you can adopt some fleet averages. That would be a question for a CPA.
There is a special commuting rule on page 26. It says that if you adopt the following rules, then you treat the value of the daily commute as $1.50 (one way) and either have your employee reimburse you, or add it to their wages. The rules are:
There is no rule that the employer must be generous. Suppose the company makes an estimate that the average employee uses their company car 200 miles per week for personal use. That means that either the employee must pay $114 per week to the company for use of the car, or the company must add $114 per week to their W-2 taxable wages. But suppose the employees get together and say "Look, here are our records proving we only drive 50 personal miles per week, so we want you to lower the bill." The employer could, but they don't have to. The employer could say something like "we don't want to be audited so we are basing the amount on a worst case scenario so we are covered." Or any other excuse to set the number the way it is set.
So let me recap all the information so far:
If your CFO is charging sales people 50 miles per week (about $28) for personal use of a company car, that might be a reasonable way to account for taxable personal use, even if "25 mile average daily commute" is not the real justification. If you had a commuting policy that banned employees from personal use except for commuting, you could use the $1.50 per one-way trip amount. But that might also be a big change from prior expectations.
Finally, there is no reason you can't "gross up" your salespeople's salaries to cover the taxes. If your CFO has determined that your employees must pay you $28 per week for their company car (as an after-tax payroll deduction, perhaps) then you could simply increase their salary by $45 per week to cover the repayment plus the taxes on the raise. (There may be other business reasons you can't give a raise, but that's not a tax problem.)
References:
Publication 535 https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p535.pdf
Publication 463 https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p463.pdf
Publication 15-b https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15b.pdf
Champ,
Thank you for all the information.
If a salesperson visits a client 10 miles from the office those miles are deductible.
What if the sales person (who lives 50 miles from the office) visits the client first, prior to coming into the office, do they get to deduct the greater mileage?
what if the same salesperson (who lives 50 miles from the office) visits a client very near the office, however, the sales person never goes into the actual office, can they deduct 100 miles using the temporary workplace rule?
Starting in 2018, employees (W-2 recipients) are no longer able to deduct any job expenses, like mileage*.
So, these answers would only apply to the self employed, who still can deduct mileage.
Q. What if the sales person (who lives 50 miles from the office) visits the client first, prior to coming into the office, do they get to deduct the greater mileage?
A. If the total trip was still 50 miles, the answer is No. If the side trip added 1 mile, then the saleman can deduct 1 mile.
Q. What if the same salesperson (who lives 50 miles from the office) visits a client very near the office, however, the sales person never goes into the actual office, can they deduct 100 miles using the temporary workplace rule?
A. No, if the trip was 100 mile or less.
*Even in the "old days" , job expenses were only a misc. itemized deduction. You only got to deduct that portion of your misc. itemized deductions that exceeded 2% of your AGI, and then only if your total itemized deductions exceeded the standard deduction (which was doubled under the 2018 tax law.
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