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If I have 2 children but can only claim 1 because he pays child support, but doesnt see them , will I only get credit for 1 kid for stimulus package check ?

The IRS I'm sure is not going to investigate everyone's parenting plan, nor if the opposing parent is paying or not paying their child support as that has NOTHING to do with this. Strictly states however you filed taxes in 2019, and if no filing was done then they go off your 2018 return. It does state they are working on an additional worksheet, but sounds like for those who don't have a tax return but had an income i.e. social security. After today I'm sure more details will come out.

Personally, and some real talk...For all these people complaining about their non- support and the other parent claimed, legal custodian, or whose in jail blah blah... I would say deal with the consequences of choosing to have children with a loser. Your actions cause suffering to your innocent children- no one else. That's on you and your poor judgement-character and/ or decision making- NOT the IRS' to sort out. So for those that fall into that category sounds like they may be S-O-L. After this pandemic, those people should probably also learn the importance of money management and how to save. You know the term,"rainy day fund" along with not having kids with another loser then crying about it. Just some real advise and truth that I'm sure the IRS would love to say...lol

If I have 2 children but can only claim 1 because he pays child support, but doesnt see them , will I only get credit for 1 kid for stimulus package check ?

appears they will go off the 2019 tax return and if that is not there, go off the 2018 tax return,  appears that will determine who gets the rebates. (and if neither tax return is there, they do have the records of who worked from Social Security to determine the $1200 part of this, but certainly not the children)

 

Part of the law is that the IRS is to send you a letter indicating how much you are to receive.   Might be worth waiting for that letter (maybe later in April?) to assess the situation, 

 

given the speed the law was designed and passed, it had to be easy to implement.  If they were going to get involved in every permutation of consequence, Congress would be arguing about it well into next year! 

Nikers21
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If I have 2 children but can only claim 1 because he pays child support, but doesnt see them , will I only get credit for 1 kid for stimulus package check ?

People keep saying the primary would get it but what about when both parents have equal legal custody? My sons father and I share joint custody and joint placement so neither of us is a primary or a secondary.... 

If I have 2 children but can only claim 1 because he pays child support, but doesnt see them , will I only get credit for 1 kid for stimulus package check ?

I am domiciliary parent and have been locked in child support/custody battle for my 2 children for the past 2 years.


Non-custodial parent was made + $200k/yr for 2019, but moved back across the country and petitioned for 7/7 custody so he wouldn’t have to pay as much child support.


Though for all of 2019 my 2 children lived with me and I NEVER signed a Form 8332, the “consent” judgment put into place Jan 10, 2020 states the non domiciliary parent can claim both kids as dependents. That left me with only the EIC to claim for 2019 (or so I thought).  

He likely still makes too much money to get $500/child, however, will this also block me from getting it as well?  Also, according to IRS website, wasn’t I supposed to be able to claim day care credit for the $140/wk I paid all of 2019 given I did not sign Form 8332?? 

help!! 🙂

If I have 2 children but can only claim 1 because he pays child support, but doesnt see them , will I only get credit for 1 kid for stimulus package check ?

Laura,

 

Luckily I dont fall into "that category' as you stated. My comment was simply that I do not believe it is fair that a person receives stimulus money for a child they no longer have custody of or currently dont pay child support for their children. I dont need her child support nor am I in a position that even needs this stimulus money. Again I was voicing that my ex should not receive money she doesnt deserve based on current circumstances of who had primary custody. The pandemic is occurring now in the US not in 2019 or 2018....use some common sense. With that said I am sure not everyone is in the financial position as I am with little or no debt and a savings account. Most of America lives paycheck to paycheck and the last thing they need is a pretentious jackass attempting to give them life advice so please save your 'real talk' comments to yourself because at this moment you are not impressing anyone. In fact you are sounding like an immature pre-madonna who peaked in HS. 

If I have 2 children but can only claim 1 because he pays child support, but doesnt see them , will I only get credit for 1 kid for stimulus package check ?

Literally in the same boat. Got emergency custody in July 2019, awarded permanent custody in Jan. But I can't claim him on my 2019 taxes because he lived with her more than 50% of the year. 

If I have 2 children but can only claim 1 because he pays child support, but doesnt see them , will I only get credit for 1 kid for stimulus package check ?

100% agree with everything you just said @jaredtx2020 

 

I can tell you not everyone who deals with child custody changes/support is an idiot who simply got in bed with a loser. This was a very ignorant and stupid comment. 

If I have 2 children but can only claim 1 because he pays child support, but doesnt see them , will I only get credit for 1 kid for stimulus package check ?


@Tif21 wrote:

I am domiciliary parent and have been locked in child support/custody battle for my 2 children for the past 2 years.


Non-custodial parent was made + $200k/yr for 2019, but moved back across the country and petitioned for 7/7 custody so he wouldn’t have to pay as much child support.


Though for all of 2019 my 2 children lived with me and I NEVER signed a Form 8332, the “consent” judgment put into place Jan 10, 2020 states the non domiciliary parent can claim both kids as dependents. That left me with only the EIC to claim for 2019 (or so I thought).  

He likely still makes too much money to get $500/child, however, will this also block me from getting it as well?  Also, according to IRS website, wasn’t I supposed to be able to claim day care credit for the $140/wk I paid all of 2019 given I did not sign Form 8332?? 

help!! 🙂


As far as the IRS is concerned without a 8332 form he cannot claim the children, but if there is a court order then refusing to sign and give a 8332 form can make you in contempt of court.  This is a legal issue and not a tax issue - please consult your attorney for legal advice.

**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**

If I have 2 children but can only claim 1 because he pays child support, but doesnt see them , will I only get credit for 1 kid for stimulus package check ?

Thank you caleb longoria. Much appreciated.

If I have 2 children but can only claim 1 because he pays child support, but doesnt see them , will I only get credit for 1 kid for stimulus package check ?

No no! Didn’t refuse to sign form 8332 - he never asked for it and went ahead anyway for 2019. 

My main question is tax related as it says that the IRS considers PHYSICAL custody not legal in determining dependency. Also, it was mentioned as well in a previous response that non custodial parent can never claim daycare credit when using the special rule for separated parents. Just asking for clarification. Thnx

If I have 2 children but can only claim 1 because he pays child support, but doesnt see them , will I only get credit for 1 kid for stimulus package check ?

Here are the all IRS rules for custody - rather lengthy , but tax law is complex.

 

Custodial Parent
These are a paraphrase of the IRS rules for divorced or separated parents that live apart.

[Note: Unless the parents have been separated at all times during the last 6 months of the year, these rules do not apply.]

See “Children of divorced or separated parents or parents who live apart” in IRS Pub 501 for full information.

https://www.irs.gov/publications/p501#en_US_2018_publink1000220904

This assumes that the child is under age 18 (in most states).  Once the child becomes an adult (Emancipated child), custody becomes mute and these rules no longer apply.(See examples 5 & 6 in Pub 501 for more information)

There is no such thing in the Federal tax law as 50/50, split, or joint custody. The IRS only recognizes physical custody (which parent the child lived with the greater part, but over half, of the tax year. That parent is the custodial parent; the other parent is the noncustodial parent.)

Who can claim the exemption and credits depends on who is the custodial parent. (By the IRS definition of custodial parent for tax purposes - this is not the same as the legal custody that a court might grant.).

The test that the IRS uses to determine the custodial parent is where the child lived for more than 1/2 (or greater part) of the year. The IRS will go so far as to require counting the nights spend in each household - that person is the custodial parent for tax purposes (if exactly equal and more than 183 days - The custodial parent is the parent with the highest AGI, if less than 183 days then neither parent has custody so the child cannot be claimed by either parent). And yes they are that picky.

See Custodial parent and noncustodial parent  in Pub 501

https://www.irs.gov/publications/p501#en_US_2018_publink1000220906

Only the Custodial parent can claim: (Child would be listed as non-dependent EIC & CC only)
-Head of Household
-The Earned Income Credit
-The Child and Dependent Care Credit
-The Health Coverage Tax Credit

The non custodial parent can only claim: (Child would be listed as dependent)
- The child as a dependent
- The Child Tax Credit or credit for other dependents

But only if specifically specified in a pre-2009 divorce decree, separation agreement or the custodial spouse releases the exemption with a signed 8332 form - after 2009 the IRS only accepts a signed 8332 form that must be attached to the non-custodial parents tax return.

Note. If you are the non-custodial parent filing your return electronically, you must file Form 8332 with Form 8453, (U.S. Individual Income Tax Transmittal) for an IRS e-file Return. See Form 8453 and its instructions for more details. This must be done within 3 days of your e-filed return being accepted by the IRS.

This does NOT mean that the custodial parent can ignore any Decree or court order allowing the non-custodial parent to claim the exemption - they can be required to issue the 8332 form. They could be required by the court to do so or be in contempt.

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Post-1984 and pre-2009 divorce decree or separation agreement. If the divorce decree or separation agreement went into effect after 1984 and before 2009, the noncustodial parent may be able to attach certain pages from the decree or agreement instead of Form 8332. The decree or agreement must state all three of the following.

1. The noncustodial parent can claim the child as a dependent without regard to any condition, such as payment of support.
2. The custodial parent will not claim the child as a dependent for the year.
3.The years for which the noncustodial parent, rather than the custodial parent, can claim the child as a dependent.

The noncustodial parent must attach all of the following pages of the decree or agreement to his or her tax return.

* The cover page (write the other parent's social security number on this page).
* The pages that include all of the information identified in items (1) through (3) above.
* The signature page with the other parent's signature and the date of the agreement.

Post-2008 divorce decree or separation agreement.   The noncustodial parent cannot attach pages from the decree or agreement instead of Form 8332 if the decree or agreement went into effect after 2008. The custodial parent must sign either Form 8332 or a similar statement whose only purpose is to release the custodial parent's claim to an exemption for a child, and the noncustodial parent must attach a copy to his or her return. The form or statement must release the custodial parent's claim to the child without any conditions. For example, the release must not depend on the noncustodial parent paying support.

Form 8332 rules for non-custodial parent:
Attach this form or similar statement to your tax return for each year you claim the exemption for your child. You can claim the exemption only if the other dependency tests in your tax return instruction booklet are met.

Note. If you are filing your return electronically, you must file Form 8332 with Form 8453, (U.S. Individual Income Tax Transmittal for an IRS e-file Return). See Form 8453 and its instructions for more details.

This must be done within 3 days of your e-filed return being accepted by the IRS.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8453.pdf

**Disclaimer: This post is for discussion purposes only and is NOT tax advice. The author takes no responsibility for the accuracy of any information in this post.**
Kat9971
New Member

If I have 2 children but can only claim 1 because he pays child support, but doesnt see them , will I only get credit for 1 kid for stimulus package check ?

Hi @Caadkins11,

  • If you have already filed your 2019 taxes, they will use that information for the stimulus checks. They will only use 2018, if you have not filed 2019. The reason they say 2018 is because most people have not filed their taxes before the pandemic shut down places. Not a professional,  but based on what you said you should be fine.
Kat9971
New Member

If I have 2 children but can only claim 1 because he pays child support, but doesnt see them , will I only get credit for 1 kid for stimulus package check ?

Hi @scuba21 ,

  • Not an expert but I believe I read that a child can receive the $500 only if they cannot be claimed as a dependent of someone else. So if you claimed your 17 year old, even if they work, you get the child stimulus check if you claimed her in 2019, or if taxes not filed, from 2018 taxes. Had to edit my post because the 20 year may be more complicated than thought. If they do not claim his or herself, that MAY qualify you to receive their check but I would definitely research that situation thoroughly 🙂
Hmlittle
New Member

If I have 2 children but can only claim 1 because he pays child support, but doesnt see them , will I only get credit for 1 kid for stimulus package check ?

This is great information, thank you so much. 

Kat9971
New Member

If I have 2 children but can only claim 1 because he pays child support, but doesnt see them , will I only get credit for 1 kid for stimulus package check ?

Hi @Caadkins11 ,

They will base the check on taxes last filed.  If you have already filed your 2019 taxes, they will use 2019. If you have not filed 2019 yet, as many have not prior to the closures, they will use 2018. 

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