We are over 55, married filing jointly, family HDHP, with 1 HSA account. We added $5700 this year over what our employer added of $2500. We understand the limit to be $8200 for us. Why is TurboTax saying we have an excess contribution of $1550?
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"So really we should have $9200 total contribution, not $8200 - correct?"
No. The $1,000 "bonus" to the annual HSA contribution limit belongs to the owner of the HSA and must be contributed to that person's HSA.
NOTE: HSAs belong to the individual, like IRAs. So if you have Family HDHP coverage and you are each 55+, then each of you can contribute $1,000 to your own HSA (i.e., you each have to have an HSA), and the $7,200 is shared any way you like between the two of you.
So, while in a sense you two could contribute $9,200 (IF YOU HAD 2 HSAs), in practice you can't contribute that whole amount to any one HSA. That is why I don't like people to say that the limit is $9,200 - it's really $1,000 plus $1,000 plus $7,200.
Now, as for your excess, there are a number of possibilities. Please read the following:
It is possible to accidentally indicate to TurboTax that you made excess HSA contributions when perhaps you haven't.
I understand that the following list is long, but these are all reasons that taxpayers get excess contribution messages.
If you find that your situation is not one of these cases, then please answer in a post in which you indicate:
your HDHP coverage and for how many months
your spouse's HDHP coverage and for how many months
your HSA contributions (both through your employer and directly to the HSA)
your spouse's HSA contributions (both through your spouse's employer and directly to the HSA)
the amount of the excess
whether or not either of you went on Medicare and what month
whether or not (and the amount) of carryover of excess contributions from 2020 for either of you
***main answer***
One of the purposes of the HSA interview is to determine your annual HSA contribution limit.
As you probably know, the maximum limits in 2021 are:
$3,600 - individual with self-coverage
$7,200 - individual with family coverage
If the HSA owner is 55 or older, then you add $1,000 to these amounts.
However, these limits assume that you were in an HSA all year. If you left the HSA during the year or started Medicare or had one of a number of change events, then the limit is reduced.
There are several major culprits for excess contributions (other than just actually contributing more than the limit).
First, if you did not complete the HSA interview - that is, go all the way until you are returned to the "Your Tax Breaks" page - the limit still might be set to zero, causes a misleading excess contribution message.
There are questions all the way to the end of the interview that affect the annual contribution limit.
Second, it is not unusual for taxpayers to accidentally duplicate their contributions by mistakenly entering what they perceive to be "their" contributions into the second line on the "Let's enter your HSA contributions" screen.
Normally, any employee who made contributions to his/her HSA through a payroll deduction plan has the contributions included in the amount with code "W" in box 12 on the W-2. This is on the first line on this screen. Don't enter the code W amount anywhere on the return other than on the W-2 page.
Third, if you weren't in HDHP coverage all 12 months, then the annual contribution limit is reduced on a per month ratio. NOTE, this means that you have to indicate when and under what type of HDHP plan you had. Be sure to answer the questions on the screen entitled "Was [name] covered by a High Deductible Health Plan in 2021?"
Fourth, if you had a carryover of excess contributions from 2020, then this carryover is applied to 2021 as a reduction to the 2021 HSA contribution limit, which could cause an excess condition in 2021 as well. But note: if you had an excess contribution in 2020 but cured it by withdrawing the excess in early 2021, then do NOT report an "overfunding" on your 2021 return.
Fifth, the Family limit ($7,200) is for the aggregate of contributions by both taxpayers, even if both taxpayers have their own HSAs. That is, one taxpayer can’t contribute $7,200 to his/her HSA and the other contribute $3,600 to the other HSA – the $7,200 limit applies to the aggregate of all HSA contributions credited to the family (in this case, the excess contributions would be $3,600).
$8200 should be ok.
the w-2 should have code W for the $2500 the employer contributed if you made the $5700 HSA contributions apart from payroll deductions.
otherwise, the w-2 should show $8200 as code W. we can't see your return or entries so review what you've done
also review form 8889
you may need to contact support.
I am able to correctly enter an HSA deduction without excess contributions in TurboTax Online Premier version.
I assume that your W-2 reflects $2,500 as code W in box 12?
And that you entered the $5,700 at the screen Let's enter your HSA contributions?
Were you both covered by the plan all twelve months?
[Edited 03/15/2022 5:05 PM PST]
That is correct w-2 shows code W for the $2500.
Yes we were. Also, according to IRS Pub 969, it states "If both spouses are 55 or older and not enrolled in Medicare, each spouse’s contribution limit is increased by the additional contribution. If both spouses meet the age requirement, the total contributions under family coverage can’t be more than $9,200. Each spouse must make the additional contribution to his or her own HSA." So really we should have $9200 total contribution, not $8200 - correct?
"So really we should have $9200 total contribution, not $8200 - correct?"
No. The $1,000 "bonus" to the annual HSA contribution limit belongs to the owner of the HSA and must be contributed to that person's HSA.
NOTE: HSAs belong to the individual, like IRAs. So if you have Family HDHP coverage and you are each 55+, then each of you can contribute $1,000 to your own HSA (i.e., you each have to have an HSA), and the $7,200 is shared any way you like between the two of you.
So, while in a sense you two could contribute $9,200 (IF YOU HAD 2 HSAs), in practice you can't contribute that whole amount to any one HSA. That is why I don't like people to say that the limit is $9,200 - it's really $1,000 plus $1,000 plus $7,200.
Now, as for your excess, there are a number of possibilities. Please read the following:
It is possible to accidentally indicate to TurboTax that you made excess HSA contributions when perhaps you haven't.
I understand that the following list is long, but these are all reasons that taxpayers get excess contribution messages.
If you find that your situation is not one of these cases, then please answer in a post in which you indicate:
your HDHP coverage and for how many months
your spouse's HDHP coverage and for how many months
your HSA contributions (both through your employer and directly to the HSA)
your spouse's HSA contributions (both through your spouse's employer and directly to the HSA)
the amount of the excess
whether or not either of you went on Medicare and what month
whether or not (and the amount) of carryover of excess contributions from 2020 for either of you
***main answer***
One of the purposes of the HSA interview is to determine your annual HSA contribution limit.
As you probably know, the maximum limits in 2021 are:
$3,600 - individual with self-coverage
$7,200 - individual with family coverage
If the HSA owner is 55 or older, then you add $1,000 to these amounts.
However, these limits assume that you were in an HSA all year. If you left the HSA during the year or started Medicare or had one of a number of change events, then the limit is reduced.
There are several major culprits for excess contributions (other than just actually contributing more than the limit).
First, if you did not complete the HSA interview - that is, go all the way until you are returned to the "Your Tax Breaks" page - the limit still might be set to zero, causes a misleading excess contribution message.
There are questions all the way to the end of the interview that affect the annual contribution limit.
Second, it is not unusual for taxpayers to accidentally duplicate their contributions by mistakenly entering what they perceive to be "their" contributions into the second line on the "Let's enter your HSA contributions" screen.
Normally, any employee who made contributions to his/her HSA through a payroll deduction plan has the contributions included in the amount with code "W" in box 12 on the W-2. This is on the first line on this screen. Don't enter the code W amount anywhere on the return other than on the W-2 page.
Third, if you weren't in HDHP coverage all 12 months, then the annual contribution limit is reduced on a per month ratio. NOTE, this means that you have to indicate when and under what type of HDHP plan you had. Be sure to answer the questions on the screen entitled "Was [name] covered by a High Deductible Health Plan in 2021?"
Fourth, if you had a carryover of excess contributions from 2020, then this carryover is applied to 2021 as a reduction to the 2021 HSA contribution limit, which could cause an excess condition in 2021 as well. But note: if you had an excess contribution in 2020 but cured it by withdrawing the excess in early 2021, then do NOT report an "overfunding" on your 2021 return.
Fifth, the Family limit ($7,200) is for the aggregate of contributions by both taxpayers, even if both taxpayers have their own HSAs. That is, one taxpayer can’t contribute $7,200 to his/her HSA and the other contribute $3,600 to the other HSA – the $7,200 limit applies to the aggregate of all HSA contributions credited to the family (in this case, the excess contributions would be $3,600).
I have a very similar situation... (married filing jointly) : 1 master HSA account (for the family) with a total contribution of $4750.
Both adults over 55, and yet TurboTax says I have contributed excess of $1550, even though we have documentation saying we only contributed 4750.
Before I file, I want to be certain this is a turbotax error and not my error.
It's not easy to find or check in TT
Tim
"master HSA account" - no such thing, there is just an HSA, which can be shared by the spouses and dependents. I ask people to avoid using things like "joint" HSA or "Family" HSA because the underlaying HSA does not determine the annual HSA contribution limit, but only the type of HDHP policy you have at a given time.
OK, so to whom does the HSA belong? You or your spouse?
What type of HDHP insurance did you have in 2021? Family?
Did you have this every month?
Did you make excess HSA contributions in 2020 and carry over the excess?
Did you make any contributions for an Archer MSA?
We have to figure out why TurboTax thinks that your annual HSA contribution limit was only $3,200 - and it was something you entered.
Hello,
I have a similar sitaution to these although I am not older than 55yrs of age. My wife and I got married in 2021 (july to be exact). I had a HSA that I maxed out ($3600). She had a family plan (2 children on her plan) that she didn't max out but contributed $3600 and her employer contributed $1187 (a match). Turbo tax is saying we over contributed the $1187. Therefore we have a 6% penalty (of only $72) but are being taxed on the $1187 wich is like $300+. This doesn't seem right, especially the 6% penalty.
Box 12w on W2 says $3600 for me and $4787 for her, but again she had a family plan with 2 dependents at the time.
Please help on this
No, this case is a rare exception that I don't believe TurboTax supports. Since you got married during the year, your annual HSA contribution limit is calculated for each of you separately up until you got married (see below), while TurboTax assumes (incorrectly) that you were married all year.
First, note that the instructions for Line 3 on page 4 for form 8889:
"4. If you were, or were considered, an eligible individual for the entire year and you changed your type of coverage during the year, enter on line 3 (see (6) in this list) the greater of:
a. The limitation shown on the last line of the Line 3 Limitation Chart and Worksheet (in these instructions), or
b. The maximum amount that can be contributed based on the type of HDHP coverage you had on the first day of the last month of your tax year.”
Note the underlined phrase: the GREATER of the normal coverage (if you had it all year) and your calculated coverage (if your coverage changed during the year).
There is the Line 3 Limitation Chart and Worksheet on page 4 of the 8889 Instructions (this assumes that the taxpayer switched from Self-only to Family coverage on or before July 1, 2021 (your date of marriage may be different):
You Spouse
January 300.00 600.00
February 300.00 600.00
March 300.00 600.00
April 300.00 600.00
May 300.00 600.00
June 300.00 600.00
July 600.00
August 600.00
September 600.00
October 600.00
November 600.00
December 600.00
subtotal 3,600.00 7,200.00
total 10,800.00
Your contributions (in the aggregate): 8,387
This says that you had no excess contributions.
Other notes:
1. This calculation is predicated on the note on page 5 (Step 4) in the instructions for the 8889, that makes it clear that the calculations change when the marital status of the taxpayers changes.
2. You don't share any of the Family limit of $7,200 because it was all allocated to your spouse (hypothetically).
3. Please check my arithmetic.
This means that you had no excess HSA contributions, because you get to count most of your Self-only coverage. Note that now that you are married, you will not be able to do that going forward (like for all of 2022 and beyond).
Since TurboTax does not support this situation, it assumes that you are both maxed out to the same 7,200.
Are you using the CD/download software or the Online product? If you are using the CD/download software, you MAY be able to override the entries on the 8889 and perhaps on other forms), but I won't guarantee it. Furthermore, if you are able to do the overrides, I can't guarantee that you can still e-file.
If you tried to override TurboTax, you would put your 300/month on your 8889-T, stopping with July while your spouse would put 600 for each month on her 8889-S. Then you will have to override a number of entries to show no carryover, and also delete the 5329 (where the 6% penalty is calculated).
I would encourage you to file an extension because you are not going to finish this today.
https://turbotax.intuit.com/irs-tax-extensions/
https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/extensions/help/how-do-i-file-an-irs-extension-form-4868-in-turbot...
https://ttlc.intuit.com/community/extensions/help/do-i-need-to-file-a-state-extension-if-so-how-do-i...
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