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thank you for clearing that up, I couldn't find anything on it. very much appreciated!
Yes that is Self Employment it's a schedule SE I been having trouble this is where these companies are in trouble they call them points but there not there earnings I do work from home doing surveys also and yes I do get SSI also and see SSA and if you get like SNAP they mark this as income Ok if I made $59,278 that's what you made for the year if they tell you No it's only $592 that's for local and county tax and social security and medicare taxes you got to take out Federal and State out of it there not suppose to have you fill that out a W-9 or a 1099 either for those companies the labor union gets in there going to see they have to pay more too.
Yes one of she tells them not to carry her on there taxes they can not do that and it's not points it's earnings if she made $600 in points and if I made that also say like $94,000 then I made more than the company saying yes there scamming that's what there doing I done saw it and know it regardless she is getting SSI or even SNAP you do have to report it it's an income.
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Yes the question is it is self employment and the Department of Revenue told me that you still have to have W-2's or a 1099 and the IRS said No not on self employment leaving me and anyone else confused.
@Patty581 wrote:
Yes the question is it is self employment and the Department of Revenue told me that you still have to have W-2's or a 1099 and the IRS said No not on self employment leaving me and anyone else confused.
It's not really about the forms. The form is supposed to follow the income, not the other way around. If an activity is earned income and the forms say it is not, there is a way to fix that, and if an activity is not earned but the forms say it is, there is a way to fix that, too. The form creates a presumption of the type of income, but the form does not control the type of income if the form is wrong.
The form is important if you are trying to receive tax benefits for having earned income. If you think an activity is "work", you have to report it to the IRS as work (even if the people you work for don't give you forms or give you different forms). And the type of form you receive may create an assumption at the IRS as to what kind of income it is. But the form or lack of form does not by itself prove the income was earned or unearned.
Earned income is compensation for performing a service (work) of some kind. There are two important considerations. Is the income compensation for services? And in the case of part-time or occasional side gig, it is work or a hobby? Even if something is compensation for services, it is not "work" (and therefore not earned income) unless there is some regularity about it. For example, if you mow your neighbor's lawn one time while they are on vacation, that is probably not earned income even if they pay you. If you regularly look for work mowing lawns, that is work and therefore earned income.
Here, for the original question asked in 2021, the question of whether doing online surveys should be treated as earned income depends on the regularity assumptions for deciding whether something is work or a hobby.
General definition of earned income
Earned income includes all of the following types of income.
Wages, salaries, tips, and other taxable employee pay. Employee pay is earned income only if it is taxable. Nontaxable employee pay, such as certain dependent care benefits and adoption benefits, isn't earned income. But there is an exception for nontaxable combat pay, which you can choose to include in earned income, as explained later in this chapter.
Net earnings from self-employment.
Gross income received as a statutory employee.
Wages, salaries, and tips reported in box 1 of Form(s) W-2.
Wages, salaries, and tips you receive for working are reported to you on Form W-2, in box 1. You should report these on Form 1040 or 1040-SR, line 1a.
Other types of earned income.
Other types of earned income not reported on Form W-2, in box 1, include household employee wages, tip income not reported to your employer, certain Medicaid waiver payments if you choose to include nontaxable payments in earned income for purposes of claiming the EIC, taxable dependent care benefits, employer provided adoption benefits from Form 8839, wages from Form 8919, and other earned income. You should report these on Form 1040 or 1040-SR, lines 1b through 1h.
How to tell if something is work or a hobby
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/hobby-or-business-heres-what-to-know-about-that-side-hustle
Well I did not just on here but also on another tax preparer services and even the IRS told me on the phone that if it's self employment there is No W-2's or 1099 you can not use that No.
Yes on Medicaid you are not suppose to turn that in either No and that I do know you keep that for your records I have that form on that.
@Patty581 wrote:
Well I did not just on here but also on another tax preparer services and even the IRS told me on the phone that if it's self employment there is No W-2's or 1099 you can not use that No.
If you are self-employed, you are required to report your income and expenses on schedule C, even if you don't get a 1099 from your customers or clients. That makes it earned income. Anything anyone else told you is wrong.
Again, suppose you have a lawn care business. You have a truck, equipment and advertising. However, because you only do lawn care for homeowners, and not businesses, you never get a 1099-NEC, because your customers are not required to issue a 1099 if they are private persons and not businesses. Are you saying this is not self-employment because you don't get a 1099-NEC? Ridiculous.
Again, the subject of this original discussion is online surveys. Even if you never get a 1099, it might be self-employment income depending on the tests described here.
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/hobby-or-business-heres-what-to-know-about-that-side-hustle
Wow look at that comment go seek God you going to get rude about it I am going by what the IRS told me on the phone it's self employment landscaping self employment same thing almost and it's not a 1099 either have a blessed day smh.
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