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Can I deduct expenses for a property I am renovating if I am using part of it (barn) for personal use and to help with the renovations?

I purchased a property with a barn and a house in 2016. I am renovating the house to rent it out. It isn't ready yet. I use the barn for personal storage and for housing supplies to work on the rental house. What can I do for the 2017 tax year to best take advantage of the situation? Should also mention I've also made improvements and repairs to the barn and considerable improvements to the land (new large driveway, tree clearing, brush removal, landscaping, well removal)

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Carl
Level 15

Can I deduct expenses for a property I am renovating if I am using part of it (barn) for personal use and to help with the renovations?

Please read the below information, paying attention to the definitions. I think that will answer your questions. Overall, repair and maintenance expenses will most likely not be deductible for you, at all.

Rental Property Dates & Numbers That Matter.

Date of Conversion - If this was your primary residence before, then this date is the day AFTER  you moved out.
In Service Date - This is the date a renter "could" have moved in. Usually, this date is the day you put the FOR RENT sign in the front yard.
Number of days Rented - the day count for this starts from the first day a renter "could" have moved in. That should be your "in service" date if you were asked for that. vacant periods between renters count also PROVIDED you did not live in the house for one single day during said period of vacancy.
Days of Personal Use - This number will be a big fat ZERO. Read the screen. It's asking for the number of days you lived in the property AFTER you converted it to a rental. I seriously doubt (though it is possible) that you lived in the house (or space, if renting a part of your home) as your primary residence or 2nd home, after you converted it to a rental.
Business Use Percentage. 100%. I'll put that in words so there's no doubt I didn't make a typo here. One Hundred Percent. After you converted this property or space to rental use, it was one hundred percent business use. What you used it for prior to the date of conversion doesn't count.

RENTAL POPERTY ASSETS, MAINTENANCE/CLEANING/REPAIRS DEFINED

Property Improvement.

Property improvements are expenses you incur that add value to the property. Expenses for this are entered in the Assets/Depreciation section and depreciated over time. Property improvements can be done at any time after your initial purchase of the property. It does not matter if it was your residence or a rental at the time of the improvement. It still adds value to the property.

To be classified as a property improvement, two criteria must be met:

1) The improvement must become "a material part of" the property. For example, remodeling the bathroom, new cabinets or appliances in the kitchen. New carpet. Replacing that old Central Air unit.

2) The improvement must add "real" value to the property. In other words, when  the property is appraised by a qualified, certified, licensed property appraiser, he will appraise it at a higher value, than he would have without the improvements.

Cleaning & Maintenance

Those expenses incurred to maintain the rental property and it's assets in the useable condition the property and/or asset was designed and intended for. Routine cleaning and maintenance expenses are only deductible if they are incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Cleaning and maintenance expenses incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are not classified as cleaning/maintenance costs. They are instead classified as startup costs, amortized as such and depreciated over time.

Repair

Those expenses incurred to return the property or it's assets to the same useable condition they were in, prior to the event that caused the property or asset to be unusable. Repair expenses incurred are only deductible if incurred while the property is classified as a rental. Repair costs incurred in the process of preparing the property for rent are classified as startup costs, amortized as such and depreciated over time.

Startup Costs

Please note that if residential rental income is not your PRIMARY business, and your PRIMARY source of income, then your rental business is considered to be passive, and you flat out, no way, no how , are not allowed to deduct your startup costs. Period. The IRS says so. See https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/rr-99-23.pdf and please take note that rental property produces “passive” income, while other types of businesses produce “active” income. Your rental property is not classified as your “active” business, unless you are a real estate professional, an active participant in the management of the property, and it provides a substantial (more than half) amount of your taxable income for the year. All three requirements must be met. There are no exceptions

Start up costs are expenses incurred while preparing the property for rent, with the express purpose being to prepare it for rent, before it is available for rent. These costs do include repair, cleaning and non-recurring maintenance cost. It does NOT include property improvements. With a normal business that produces active income (rental income is passive) you would amortize these costs over 15 years. But you can’t do that with a rental property. However, you can deduct a maximum of $5000 in startup costs in the first year the rental is available for rent, PROVIDED your total startup costs do not exeed $50,000. This is reported on line 18, “Other Expenses” of SCH E, and should be labeled “start up expenses”.

Additional clarifications: Painting a room does not qualify as a property improvement. While the paint does become “a material part of” the property, from the perspective of a property appraiser, it doesn’t add “real value” to the property.

However, when you do something like convert the garage into a 3rd bedroom for example, making a  2 bedroom house into a 3 bedroom house adds “real value”. Of course, when you convert the garage to a bedroom, you’re going to paint it. But you will include the cost of painting as a part of the property improvement – not an expense separate from it.


Can I deduct expenses for a property I am renovating if I am using part of it (barn) for personal use and to help with the renovations?

Thanks for your answer. Does the fact that I will continue to use the barn for my personal use after converting the house to rental have any bearing on anything here? Thanks
Carl
Level 15

Can I deduct expenses for a property I am renovating if I am using part of it (barn) for personal use and to help with the renovations?

Yes it does. You will only be depreciating the value of the house, not the barn.
Carl
Level 15

Can I deduct expenses for a property I am renovating if I am using part of it (barn) for personal use and to help with the renovations?

Just had an idea, and here's how I recommend you do this.
Work this through the Rental & Royalty Income (SCH E) section of the program "as if" you are renting out everything, including the barn. On this initial work through, you'll be treating the house and barn as a single structure. So when asked, you'll enter the following:
COST: what you paid for the property in it's entirely. Let's assume $200,000
Cost Of Land: Of that $200,000, lets say $50,000 was for the land.
With the above, once you complete working this through the rental section, your deprecation will be figured on $150,000 over 27.5 years. (Remember, land is not depreciable).
Now, go back into the Assets/Deprecation section and lets make some changes. We know, using my figures above, that the value of all structures on the land is $150,000.  Let's give the house you are renting out a value of $100,000 and the barn a value of $50,000. Then we'll give the value of the land for the barn a value of $15,000 and the value of the land for the house a value of $35,000.
Select the "Enter Another Asset" button and enter the house with a cost of $135.000 (cost of house and land) and Cost of Land a value of $35,000. We'll declare this 100% business use.
Now enter a 2nd asset of the barn with a cost of $65,000 and Cost of Land $15,000. We'll give this ZERO percent business use.
Now you can delete the first asset which includes everything, and depreciation will occur only on the house. In later years if you decide to rent out the barn, it's just a matter of changing the percentage of business use, placing it "in service" with the appropriate in service date, and that will begin depreciation on the barn.

Can I deduct expenses for a property I am renovating if I am using part of it (barn) for personal use and to help with the renovations?

ok, sounds good. I thought I read somewhere that since land isn't depreciable that improvements to it may be deductible in the year they are made. Is there anything to that? We added a large very expensive driveway, cleared a lot of trees, and did a lot of landscaping and removed a well.
Carl
Level 15

Can I deduct expenses for a property I am renovating if I am using part of it (barn) for personal use and to help with the renovations?

The driveway is a property improvement on the land. Just like adding a room to the house would be a property improvement on the land. The other stuff adds to the cost basis/value of the land. But it's not depreciable.

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